Ohio and Florida: Lost causes for Dems, or are they still winnable?

[Uncle Phil 36]

You are suggesting Dems can't win Florida because there's been a string of Republican governors, while at the same time pointing out there's been a bunch of Republican governors in Massachusetts too. Obviously having Republican governors a few times doesn't disqualify you from being a competitive state for Dems.

Nelson won in 2006 and 2012 and only lost in 2018 by 0.12%, just 10,000 votes out of 4 million. Obama won in 2008 and 2012, Clinton lost by just 1% in 2016 and even this year Biden only lost by 3% and that was with a horrible Latino outreach operation. Scott won by just 1% in 2010 and 2014 and then Gillum lost by just 0.4% in 2018 even with voter suppression. So Florida has provably been competitive for Dems in the last decade in presidential, senate, AND gubernatorial elections.

Old people are dying in every state, that's a demographic trend that helps democrats everywhere. Felons getting the vote is a demographic trend that helps dems too. To write off a state where Dems have either won or been within 1% in most statewide elections in the last 15 years is silly.

Well said

 

[King Static X]

Ohio isn't winnable for Democrats in the foreseeable future (with the exception of Sherrod Brown). Obama's victories were an anomaly.

Florida is winnable..............BUT not until the Florida Democratic Party becomes a competent & functioning party. Also, we've got to deal with those damn Florida Cubans.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Florida seemed primed for a blue future but Cubans going MAGA was a wild card most didn’t see coming.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

You are suggesting Dems can't win Florida because there's been a string of Republican governors, while at the same time pointing out there's been a bunch of Republican governors in Massachusetts too. Obviously having Republican governors a few times doesn't disqualify you from being a competitive state for Dems.

Nelson won in 2006 and 2012 and only lost in 2018 by 0.12%, just 10,000 votes out of 4 million. Obama won in 2008 and 2012, Clinton lost by just 1% in 2016 and even this year Biden only lost by 3% and that was with a horrible Latino outreach operation. Scott won by just 1% in 2010 and 2014 and then Gillum lost by just 0.4% in 2018 even with voter suppression. So Florida has provably been competitive for Dems in the last decade in presidential, senate, AND gubernatorial elections.

Old people are dying in every state, that's a demographic trend that helps democrats everywhere. Felons getting the vote is a demographic trend that helps dems too. To write off a state where Dems have either won or been within 1% in most statewide elections in the last 15 years is silly.

That’s what I said on my post with investment it maybe winnable but the Florida dem party is incompetent. Floridians voted for an initiative to allow ex felon voting and then desantis passed a law that Required them to pay their court fees Before having you’re voting rights granted. Yes old people are dying every day but Old people are moving down to Florida for retirement every year. I work not far from the villages Florida which is the biggest retirement community in the nation and you can bet that’s Trump country. Also cubans have always been a reliable Republican voting block but with Trump in the picture he happen to bring more Hispanics especially Venezuelans in. I thought after Obama that Cubans would start migrating little by little To the democratic party but boy I was wrong.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Florida seemed primed for a blue future but Cubans going MAGA was a wild card most didn’t see coming.

The only to Florida counties I’ve seen that are trending blue is Seminole and Duval. Our huge dem counties Went all blue but last election they started to trend red.

 

[mc_brew]

i think florida is still within reach, but ohio is not so likely....

 

[the cac mamba]

OH and FL are both red states, and the dems should focus elsewhere

frankly the map was laid in '20. keep winning AZ. keep winning GA. keep winning MI, WI

 

[acri1]

any new takes after the midterms?

Added a poll.

 

[banner34]

OH and FL are both red states, and the dems should focus elsewhere

frankly the map was laid in '20. keep winning AZ. keep winning GA. keep winning MI, WI

GA is back the red column with the right candidate.

 

[mc_brew]

any new takes after the midterms?

Added a poll.

yea, i have a new take....

ohio, florida, texas all belong to the dark side.... once a good girl has gone bad, she's gone forever...

nevada.....? purple
arizona.....? purple
georgia....? ehh, she's appears to be going back to the lover she once knew.... her fling with the dems is over....

biden's chances in 2024......? dire..... it can be done, but i focus on the electoral college not the pop vote.... we don't elect presidents by the pop vote....

 

[acri1]

biden's chances in 2024......? dire..... it can be done, but i focus on the electoral college not the pop vote.... we don't elect presidents by the pop vote....

Personally I'd rather he not run in 2024, but I feel like Biden can probably beat Trump again as long as there's not a recession.

If it was Biden vs. DeSantis I'd be much more nervous tho. Doesn't matter much against Trump since they're both old and people feel how they feel about Trump, but against DeSantis I feel like Biden's age would work against him.

 

[acri1]

I think a candidate like Val Demings could maybe win a state-wide race

 

[wire28]

ohio aka northern kentucky, is lost

florida we still may luck up in local races but i think its probably gone nationally as well

better start putting money towards securing AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA, NC

 

[mc_brew]

better start putting money towards securing AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA, NC

big time......

 

[King Sun]

I'll just say fl dems need to look at the john fettermans of fl and oh. They are there but the dems rather run right wing dems. Look at the gay progressive breh that won in fl for example