Ohio and Florida: Lost causes for Dems, or are they still winnable?

Are Florida/Ohio still winnable for Dems?

  • Democrats can still be competitive in both states

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mastermind

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You really can’t believe this.

Doug Jones in Alabama is textbook case of why your 100% wrong. He was everything you claim would win but lost his seat to a football coach.

The truth is our politics is a strange case of not only getting people to vote, but simultaneously driving down the votes of the opposite side it seems. I have no idea if it always was this way but it seems like the more candidates( on both sides) have be for and against certain issues with no wiggle room, the mythological crossover voter has become rare.
Well, first of all, I don't think you understood what I said.

I said to give people material things and provide results.

Outside of the Farm Bill, Doug Jones wasn't a remarkable senator:

Now he only had two years, but outside of the COVID bils, Doug Jones was just an everyday Senator.
 

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Well, first of all, I don't think you understood what I said.

I said to give people material things and provide results.

Outside of the Farm Bill, Doug Jones wasn't a remarkable senator:

Now he only had two years, but outside of the COVID bils, Doug Jones was just an everyday Senator.
Dude was prosecutor for Civil Rights crimes before becoming a Senator and voted to impeach Trump.

So what beyond looking the part got Tommy Tuberville the job and what had he done since?
 

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what does this have to do with his time as a senator?

So what do you think Doug Jones could've done with his one Senate vote that would've gotten him re-elected?

Do you believe that if he voted differently on some bill he would've won?
 

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Actually...from what I understand he was instrumental on getting that joint venture Mazda-Toyota plant built outside of Huntsville. That's a pretty big deal I would think.
 

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Ohio...is an odd duck. Before Biden was the nominee, the DNC wanted Sherrod Brown to run for president. He didn't run because of his wife (she didn't want him to) - she's a journalist and college professor. Any democrat who wants to have a chance to win in the state of Ohio HAS to make Columbus purple at minimum. Cleveland is a democratic stronghold, Toledo as well. Cincinnati almost always goes Republican (with a few exceptions like the most recent upset, or when they elected Jerry Springer for mayor :dead:). Columbus is the one area that's a toss up - you've got a ton of banks and insurance companies that have a significant presence there, as well as a good sized manufacturing base (Honda, Intel, Abbott Labs), and a major university there. Outside of Columbus, it's completely surrounded by Republican counties except for Athens. That's why Ohio is so tough for democratic candidates to succeed - you HAVE to know where to spend your money and know where to go. Message matters a LOT there.
Cincinnati is blue. The city almost always has a democratic mayor and city council. The problem is we are gerrymandered to death. They include us with many rural communities to our east. Also, Cincinnati is surrounded entirely by white suburbs to the north (until you get to Dayton) and east. Former House leader Boehner was from a Cincinnati suburb (Butler county). Without gerrymandering, Steve Chabot would’ve never been our congressional representative. I agree that OH is just like PA, but with smaller city centers. Luckily, Cincinnati is adding young progressives to offset the rural surroundings. Cleveland is still getting smaller.
 

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And until 2019 Florida had at least one Democratic senator continuously for over 100 years. Ohio has a Democratic senator right now. Both states voted for Obama twice.

There's literally nothing in Ohio or Florida's history to show that they'll refuse to vote for Democratic candidates. Folk way too in the moment with this shyt.

:mjlol: :mjlol:Tried to tell them.
 

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I dont think Vals future is totally doomed but for now you are def correct

Shes better off working for the DNC/Biden admin at this point. Maxwell Frost won her seat, and FL gonna be gerrymandered for the next 12 years.
 

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she could win in an open election against a so so candidate. not against an incumbent. also needs a stronger top of the ticket
:francis:Nah bruh, you should really see how FL is drawn up. Orlando and Broward are the only Blue districts...
 
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