Obama Ties Broken Families To Gun Violence In Emotional Chicago Speech

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good lord, now you are trying to attach the destiny of black people to latinos? :beli:

this is the type of retarded thinking going on with the CBC, i posted an article where a black congressman literally said that they will support immigration reform because latinos will help them later on :mindblown:

completely ignoring the fact that latinos come from countries that have a history of being racist as hell against black people

yall are leading black people down a path that will not lead to black prosperity and it will not put black people on top

Now this is where I do agree with you.:heh:
 

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All I see are a bunch of failures talking about CACS ARE KEEPING US DOWN when there's plenty of people who've made it because they've applied themselves. Only know of too many failures who don't have any aspirations to anything cause they're comfortable in the projects or whatever.

:dwillhuh: o so people WANT to be in the projects?
 

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:dwillhuh: o so people WANT to be in the projects?

:yeshrug: they certainly seem comfortable enough to me. i've gone to school and worked with all types, the people there want to be there and seem proud to come from their little shytty enclaves
 

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:yeshrug: they certainly seem comfortable enough to me. i've gone to school and worked with all types, the people there want to be there and seem proud to come from their little shytty enclaves
One could argue that it's a defense mechanism from coping w/having one's whole history destroyed :yeshrug:

But your observation confirm your biases so "you are probably right"
 

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One could argue that it's a defense mechanism from coping w/having one's whole history destroyed :yeshrug:

But your observation confirm your biases so "you are probably right"

the problem is any argument can be spun in any way you want either for or against, so it's a neverending circle
 

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because education gives you the means to resist and combat racism and economic oppression and it allows you to organize better and education creates economies in and of itself

if you look at history, especially in the modern era, its education that gives nations and communities power and makes them prosperous

if you read history there are examples of communities that have prospered despite being oppressed whether its jews in europe or black people in black wall street

in other words black people imo should not be fighting to end racism or "economic oppression", black people should be fighting for education and that can be done by creating a strong academic culture and academic tradition

in the modern world the main determinant of prosperity is education, any community that focuses on education will prosper regardless of any oppression, any community that doesn't will falter, its that simple

I disagree completely with your overall train of thought, yes i think we can all agree education is important, that point no one will deny, but when looking at the challenges that African Americans face here you simply are not wanting to or purposely not seeing the overall picture education is key but ignoring the rest of the system that exist to undermine black progress is foolish and as far as reading about history why dont we read a bit of modern history?


In Job Hunt, College Degree Can’t Close Racial Gap



Johnny R. Williams, 30, would appear to be an unlikely person to have to fret about the impact of race on his job search, with companies like JPMorgan Chase and an M.B.A. from the University of Chicago on his résumé.

But after graduating from business school last year and not having much success garnering interviews, he decided to retool his résumé, scrubbing it of any details that might tip off his skin color. His membership, for instance, in the African-American business students association? Deleted.

“If they’re going to X me,” Mr. Williams said, “I’d like to at least get in the door first.”

Similarly, Barry Jabbar Sykes, 37, who has a degree in mathematics from Morehouse College, a historically black college in Atlanta, now uses Barry J. Sykes in his continuing search for an information technology position, even though he has gone by Jabbar his whole life.


“Barry sounds like I could be from Ireland,” he said.

That race remains a serious obstacle in the job market for African-Americans, even those with degrees from respected colleges,
may seem to some people a jarring contrast to decades of progress by blacks, culminating in President Obama’s election.

But there is ample evidence that racial inequities remain when it comes to employment. Black joblessness has long far outstripped that of whites. And strikingly, the disparity for the first 10 months of this year, as the recession has dragged on, has been even more pronounced for those with college degrees, compared with those without. Education, it seems, does not level the playing field — in fact, it appears to have made it more uneven.

College-educated black men, especially, have struggled relative to their white counterparts in this downturn, according to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The unemployment rate for black male college graduates 25 and older in 2009 has been nearly twice that of white male college graduates — 8.4 percent compared with 4.4 percent.

Various academic studies have confirmed that black job seekers have a harder time than whites. A study published several years ago in The American Economic Review titled “Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?” found that applicants with black-sounding names received 50 percent fewer callbacks than those with white-sounding names.


A more recent study, published this year in The Journal of Labor Economics found white, Asian and Hispanic managers tended to hire more whites and fewer blacks than black managers did.

The discrimination is rarely overt, according to interviews with more than two dozen college-educated black job seekers around the country, many of them out of work for months. Instead, those interviewed told subtler stories, referring to surprised looks and offhand comments, interviews that fell apart almost as soon as they began, and the sudden loss of interest from companies after meetings.

Whether or not each case actually involved bias, the possibility has furnished an additional agonizing layer of second-guessing for many as their job searches have dragged on.

“It does weigh on you in the search because you’re wondering, how much is race playing a factor in whether I’m even getting a first call, or whether I’m even getting an in-person interview once they hear my voice and they know I’m probably African-American?” said Terelle Hairston, 25, a graduate of Yale University who has been looking for work since the summer while also trying to get a marketing consulting start-up off the ground. “You even worry that the hiring manager may not be as interested in diversity as the H.R. manager or upper management.”

Mr. Williams recently applied to a Dallas money management firm that had posted a position with top business schools. The hiring manager had seemed ecstatic to hear from him, telling him they had trouble getting people from prestigious business schools to move to the area. Mr. Williams had left New York and moved back in with his parents in Dallas to save money.

But when Mr. Williams later met two men from the firm for lunch, he said they appeared stunned when he strolled up to introduce himself.

“Their eyes kind of hit the ceiling a bit,” he said. “It was kind of quiet for about 45 seconds.”

The company’s interest in him quickly cooled, setting off the inevitable questions in his mind.

Discrimination in many cases may not even be intentional, some job seekers pointed out, but simply a matter of people gravitating toward similar people, casting about for the right “cultural fit,” a buzzword often heard in corporate circles.

There is also the matter of how many jobs, especially higher-level ones, are never even posted and depend on word-of-mouth and informal networks, in many cases leaving blacks at a disadvantage. A recent study published in the academic journal Social Problems found that white males receive substantially more job leads for high-level supervisory positions than women and members of minorities.

Many interviewed, however, wrestled with “pulling the race card,” groping between their cynicism and desire to avoid the stigma that blacks are too quick to claim victimhood. After all, many had gone to good schools and had accomplished résumés. Some had grown up in well-to-do settings, with parents who had raised them never to doubt how high they could climb. Moreover, there is President Obama, perhaps the ultimate embodiment of that belief.

Certainly, they conceded, there are times when their race can be beneficial, particularly with companies that have diversity programs. But many said they sensed that such opportunities had been cut back over the years and even more during the downturn. Others speculated there was now more of a tendency to deem diversity unnecessary after Mr. Obama’s triumph.

In fact, whether Mr. Obama’s election has been good or bad for their job prospects is hotly debated. Several interviewed went so far as to say that they believed there was only so much progress that many in the country could take, and that there was now a backlash against blacks.

“There is resentment toward his presidency among some because of his race,” said Edward Verner, a Morehouse alumnus from New Jersey who was laid off as a regional sales manager and has been able to find only part-time work. “This has affected well-educated, African-American job seekers.”

It is difficult to overstate the degree that they say race permeates nearly every aspect of their job searches, from how early they show up to interviews to the kinds of anecdotes they try to come up with.

“You want to be a nonthreatening, professional black guy,” said Winston Bell, 40, of Cleveland, who has been looking for a job in business development.

He drew an analogy to several prominent black sports broadcasters. “You don’t want to be Stephen A. Smith. You want to be Bryant Gumbel. You don’t even want to be Stuart Scott. You don’t want to be, ‘Booyah.’ ”

Nearly all said they agonized over job applications that asked them whether they would like to identify their race. Most said they usually did not.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0



:ohhh: bbbbuuttt these people are well educated
 

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:yeshrug: they certainly seem comfortable enough to me. i've gone to school and worked with all types, the people there want to be there and seem proud to come from their little shytty enclaves

by that logic lil starving children living in poverty in Africa or Haiti are comfortable with there situations too right? :what:
 

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I disagree completely with your overall train of thought, yes i think we can all agree education is important, that point no one will deny, but when looking at the challenges that African Americans face here you simply are not wanting to or purposely not seeing the overall picture education is key but ignoring the rest of the system that exist to undermine black progress is foolish and as far as reading about history why dont we read a bit of modern history?


In Job Hunt, College Degree Can’t Close Racial Gap






http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0



:ohhh: bbbbuuttt these people are well educated
Yes but they haven't fully assimilated, why would dude go by Jabbar, thats a hip hop name, why should he expect to be incorporated into corporate culture without giving up his identity, stop being such a sensitive fakkit
 

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Yes but they haven't fully assimilated, why would dude go by Jabbar, thats a hip hop name, why should he expect to be incorporated into corporate culture without giving up his identity, stop being such a sensitive fakkit

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I was being sarcastic. In retrospect, not a classy move. I apologize.

But it makes me a little angry how far people go to downplay whatever aspect of a problem isn't convenient to their beliefs. For TWISM its the effects of institutionalized racism. For Gravity its the effects of the bad decisions made by black people. You put the two's views together you have the whole picture. But TWISM's self hate and Gravity's "fukkaccrakkkkaitis" forbid them from looking at the situation objectively. Its kind of pointless to even discuss things with these kinds of people.
 

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I was being sarcastic. In retrospect, not a classy move. I apologize.

But it makes me a little angry how far people go to downplay whatever aspect of a problem isn't convenient to their beliefs. For TWISM its the effects of institutionalized racism. For Gravity its the effects of the bad decisions made by black people. You put the two's views together you have the whole picture. But TWISM's self hate and Gravity's "fukkaccrakkkkaitis" forbid them from looking at the situation objectively. Its kind of pointless to even discuss things with these kinds of people.

The truth is somewhere in the middle.
 

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I disagree completely with your overall train of thought, yes i think we can all agree education is important, that point no one will deny, but when looking at the challenges that African Americans face here you simply are not wanting to or purposely not seeing the overall picture education is key but ignoring the rest of the system that exist to undermine black progress is foolish and as far as reading about history why dont we read a bit of modern history?


In Job Hunt, College Degree Can’t Close Racial Gap




http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?_r=0



:ohhh: bbbbuuttt these people are well educated


i dont think you even understand what i am saying, that article isnt a retort to what i was saying, what i said is that discrimination in the work place is NOT fundamental to black progress, and i said that if you pursue a policy where you make work place discriminatin fundamental the results will be marginal and i said the real problem is that a black person would even have to go to a white firm to begin with

i think its good to fight workplace discrimination but that isnt key, the key is education, the number of black people in higher education is minimal compared to other ethnic groups, what am suggesting is that we have to pretty much double or triple or quadruple the number of people with BS, MS and phds to create the critical mass necessary to develop our own jobs and our own economies and that will be done be creating a culture that is defined by academics

i assert that that will not happen by pursuing workplace discrimination or by affirmative action programs, those type of things will produce marginal results, the story you posted is actually what i am talking about and why i started realizing the limits of civil rights laws and race oriented policies
 

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2 questioned in shooting of teen killed hours after sister heard Obama

2 questioned in shooting of teen killed hours after sister heard Obama’s speech

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BY BECKY SCHLIKERMAN Staff Reporter bschlikerman@suntimes.com February 16, 2013 9:26PM

Two people are being questioned in the shooting death of a Janay McFarlane, who was shot to death in North Chicago hours after her little sister sat just feet away as President Barack Obama spoke in Chicago Friday about the violence plaguing the nation.

Community members gave police information that led to the two people who are being question by police and the Lake County State’s Attorney’s office, according to North Chicago police. No charges have been filed as of Sunday afternoon.

McFarlane was shot to death hours after her little sister, Destini, 14, sat just feet away as President Barack Obama as he spoke in Chicago Friday about the violence plaguing the nation.

“I really feel like somebody cut a part of my heart out,” said McFarlane’s mother, Angela Blakely.

McFarlane, 18, was in North Chicago visiting friends and family. She was with a friend late Friday night when a bullet meant for a friend struck McFarlane, Blakely said.

McFarlane was shot once in the head around 11:30 p.m. in an alley in the 1300 block of Jackson Street in the far north suburb, Lake County Coroner Thomas Rudd said
 
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