Obama on Senate gun vote: 'A shameful day'

[El Bombi]

What you fail to realize is, if the govt did indeed go rogue. They dont even want it to get to that point. They dont want to be fighting and killing their own citizens. You have the same bad logic as alot of others with your same terrible argument. "But but but if the govt takes over, they got missles and bombs, we cant beat them." Thats exactly how they want you to think and feel, you are all ready defeated and pose no threat. You are complacent and have given up all ready. The battle is over before it began with cowards like you. If they disarm the people, they can rule with no fear of reprisal. I know they got bombs and missle, but they are not going to nuke their own lands they rule over, so that leaves conventional shyt. Who would the govt target with its bombs and missle if WE the people decided to rise against. The military is still made up of our CITIZENS, a large portion of the army would desert if it ever went down against US. They would have to find us and track us down. They got bombs and missles in vietnam and iraq and afghansitan, but we didnt win those wars....... Try to think logically before you type, boy

Let me make something clear, I personally dont think anything like that will happen here in my lifetime, and prolly not even my kids. But its always a possiblity. I am not a conspiracry theorist, im simply talking based on historical facts.



Good reply, well thought out



No, im talking in general about the arguments.

GTFOH

You can fight the government with guns all you want. Enjoy being killed by a drone with your rifle in your hand. The government would hire contract shoulders to take you out. Like the government is already doing. The American people are why too divide by race, class, and prejudice to come together against the government.

All the races would go to war with each other before attacking government.

 

[TruStyle]

GTFOH

You can fight the government with guns all you want. Enjoy being killed by a drone with you rifle in your hand. The government would hire contract shoulders to take you out. Like the government is already doing. The American people are why too divide by race, class, and prejudice to come together against the government.

All the races would go to war with each other before attacking government.

If it came to that, I would gladly die fighting for freedom for my people.

A coward like you can keep living safe like a slave and do whatever the govt tells you.

As i said, the govt dont need to fight us when we have defeated, broken people like you.

Dont let anyone else hear you talking like this, you was the slave who stayed at mastas cuz at least you knew you got some leftovers and a hay bale to sleep on. Why would you run away, thats risky and you could die, fukk that, just stay where its safe.

Disgusting coward

You are not a man worth carrying a conversation on with, good day

 

[No1]

@TruStyle and @Blackking what the hell are you guys arguing about, banning guns wasn't even in the bill, the vast majority of the country already believes that universal background checks are the law, it's that common sense. You're seriously sitting in here arguing that universal background checks are a bad idea, I can't begin to fathom what is going on in your heads. You've been sitting here arguing red herrings for the past day or so. Just because one thing isn't all of the problem doesn't mean it's not part of the equation and it shouldn't be addressed. But lastly, the last time assault weapons were banned (which was a separate amendment), the government didn't exactly show up and start abducting people and bombing citizens. It expired during the Bush administration, during the Patriot Act era when paranoia was at its fullest. I have no idea what you're attempting to argue right now, but very little of it is grounded in rationality. 90% of the country, I'll say it again 90% of a country where people are divided understand this basic common sense principle and this is what you're arguing against.

 

[TruStyle]

@TruStyle and @Blackking what the hell are you guys arguing about, banning guns wasn't even in the bill, the vast majority of the country already believes that universal background checks are the law, it's that common sense. You're seriously sitting in here arguing that universal background checks are a bad idea, I can't begin to fathom what is going on in your heads. You've been sitting here arguing red herrings for the past day or so. Just because one thing isn't all of the problem doesn't mean it's not part of the equation and it shouldn't be addressed. But lastly, the last time assault weapons were banned (which was a separate amendment), the government didn't exactly show up and start abducting people and bombing citizens. It expired during the Bush administration, during the Patriot Act era when paranoia was at its fullest. I have no idea what you're attempting to argue right now, but very little of it is grounded in rationality. 90% of the country, I'll say it again 90% of a country where people are divided understand this basic common sense principle and this is what you're arguing against.

I was replyin to a poster who said the GOVT could round us all up, and we could not fight back even if we wanted to or something along those lines. Then it kinda devolved into this with ppl quoting and aruging.

I wasnt directly responding to the OP, but other replies in the thread

 

[El Bombi]

If it came to that, I would gladly die fighting for freedom for my people.

A coward like you can keep living safe like a slave and do whatever the govt tells you.

As i said, the govt dont need to fight us when we have defeated, broken people like you.

Dont let anyone else hear you talking like this, you was the slave who stayed at mastas cuz at least you knew you got some leftovers and a hay bale to sleep on. Why would you run away, thats risky and you could die, fukk that, just stay where its safe.

Disgusting coward

You are not a man worth carrying a conversation on with, good day

What freedom?

You think we have freedom now? GTFOH Only the top 1% have freedom. You are a slave right now breh. They don't have to make you a physical slave anymore. They have everyone as a slave mentally.

You have been fooled by the propaganda machine. That is ran by the top 1%.
You will be dead by the uses of eugenics before you even able to pick up your rifle.

 

[Blackking]

@TruStyle and @Blackking what the hell are you guys arguing about, banning guns wasn't even in the bill, the vast majority of the country already believes that universal background checks are the law, it's that common sense. You're seriously sitting in here arguing that universal background checks are a bad idea, I can't begin to fathom what is going on in your heads. You've been sitting here arguing red herrings for the past day or so. Just because one thing isn't all of the problem doesn't mean it's not part of the equation and it shouldn't be addressed. But lastly, the last time assault weapons were banned (which was a separate amendment), the government didn't exactly show up and start abducting people and bombing citizens. It expired during the Bush administration, during the Patriot Act era when paranoia was at its fullest. I have no idea what you're attempting to argue right now, but very little of it is grounded in rationality. 90% of the country, I'll say it again 90% of a country where people are divided understand this basic common sense principle and this is what you're arguing against.

No one is saying there's a guarantee that if weapons are banned, the government will enact martial law and blow sh1t up. You found the need to address this for a reason. I don't know what that reason is, but it's originally brought up in convo due to the fact that gun ownership is a right and the fact that people have the right to feel uncomfortable with Government on all levels - and it's OK that there is no possibility some people chose to ignore.

Who said that banning guns was in the bill? Contrary to your retarded beliefs, people other than Barnone have reading and news headline watching comprehension. However, unlike barnone, people aren't going to ignore a history of slippery slopes in the world of politics. Common sense tells you how one thing leads to others. NTM, all the people on the internet, on TV, and even politicians who have made statements in regards to the banning of guns and violence. - That isn't some made up sh1t, so due to those talks (and not due to the details of the bill) People have chosen to state their opinions about how the realities about violence prevention are grossly misguided. No one is against background checks. I never even said anything about that.... however, I don't get how background checks relate to ammo limitations or restrictions of certain types of weapons. I don't get how spending millions on failing bills = money and funding going towards helping counselors to work with parents to tackle mental illness. I don't get how bills that do limit legal purchases, while doing nothing to stop illegal gun violence in urban communities are = good bills ; When we can't explain how those crazys who sparked this debate in the first place are killing because they had guns... and not because they were emotionally unstable. We are fighting symptoms and not the cause of the issue. Are we going to be OK if a crazy isn't able to get a AK... but just takes a knife and murks 3 people ? I guess we'll just say... "at least he couldn't shoot up the school. " IF we thought that each life was important.. this would be an entirely different bill and conversation.




also,

 

[Blackking]

What freedom?

You think we have freedom now? GTFOH Only the top 1% have freedom. You are a slave right now breh. They don't have to make you a physical slave anymore. They have everyone as a slave mentally.

You have been fooled by the propaganda machine. That is ran by the top 1%.
You will be dead by the uses of eugenics before you even able to pick up your rifle.

The is a huge difference between a slave that accepts being a slave, and the slave that doesn't accept it and looks out for avenues of freedom. - Blackking

 

[El Bombi]

The is a huge difference between a slave that accepts being a slave, and the slave that doesn't accept it and looks out for avenues of freedom. - Blackking

I never said it was OK to be a slave or not to protect yourself.

My whole point is thinking that the population owning guns will prevent the government from successful killing it's citizens is foolish. I have no problems with people having a gun to protect their house and family. The citizens will need way more than high power guns to defend themselves from the government.

You and Trustyle came up with generalization on y'all own.

 

[jackswstd]

Tell that to the people of North Mexico that are getting massacred by armed cartels. You think innocent people don't get extorted, kidnapped, and murdered in this cartel war?

I thought we were discussing the U.S., what does Mexico have to with the gun debate here?

 

[88m3]

The concept of slavery was bad. The concept of having the right to protect yourself is not bad, so it doesn't need to be banned or abolished.

What is bad is ignoring the real causes of violence and manipulating people to believe that guns are the problem. The legislators and Obama all know that Guns are not the issue --- ur a fool if you believe otherwise.

The concept of slavery is bad?

Seemed pretty effective to me.


The idea that owning a gun will protect you is flawed.

The law that failed was about further screening gun sales and prohibiting access of firearms to people that are mentally ill. Please explain to me how that is a negative thing? There are some of your root causes illegal transfers of firearms and the mentally ill, maybe you should look at was in the bill first.

 

[Blackking]

The concept of slavery is bad?

Seemed pretty effective to me.


The idea that owning a gun will protect you is flawed.

The law that failed was about further screening gun sales and prohibiting access of firearms to people that are mentally ill. Please explain to me how that is a negative thing? There are some of your root causes illegal transfers of firearms and the mentally ill, maybe you should look at was in the bill first.

other topics came up that weren't in the bill. Those were addressed. I didn't say the bill was bad.. but I said the main focus should be on other things that actually reduce gun violence. Mentally ill /= retarded. A crazy person can get an illegal gun easy as fck. So like I said, we need a clear and guided focus on the real issues.

Improving school safety and addressing mental health -- create a bill with those two things and watch the bill pass without senator's having to fear the Gansta ass gun lobby or without wasting time and money.

BUT NO

we want to add this type of sh1t in the proposals so that it can fail, waste money, and not address the real issues :
ban rapid-firing assault weapons / place a limit on the size of ammunition clips.

 

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[rapbeats]

If it came to that, I would gladly die fighting for freedom for my people.

A coward like you can keep living safe like a slave and do whatever the govt tells you.

As i said, the govt dont need to fight us when we have defeated, broken people like you.

Dont let anyone else hear you talking like this, you was the slave who stayed at mastas cuz at least you knew you got some leftovers and a hay bale to sleep on. Why would you run away, thats risky and you could die, fukk that, just stay where its safe.

Disgusting coward

You are not a man worth carrying a conversation on with, good day

you sound like a ra ra guy. but you would be a dead ra ra guy before the war even kicked off. because you're not strategic. you're silly.

here's the deal. YES the missiles and some bombs will hit. they dont have to bomb everyone. just bomb a few black neighborhoods that no one cares about. and bam scare up the rest of whitee country.

no one said nuke your own country. all bombs are not nukes with radiation, etc.

drones can be armed as well.

the truth is, if it went down, the army is only controlled by those who choose to be controlled. this aint the movies. everyone has family, friends in the armed forces. everyone on here, knows someone close thats in the or has been in the armed forces or they know someone who knows someone who's in the armed forces. you infiltrate them from within. otherwise you will never win a fight with an arrow while i have a gun. you have an AR15, i got a tank. LOL at you hurting me. not going to happen. thats why you work it from within. then here comes to coup and country take back.

 

[bewitched]

"Focus on mental Illness" is a load of crap and an excuse for gun enthusiasts to hold on to their precious metal. Plus not all gun violence is not perpetrated by mentally ill people. What makes anyone so sure that the government would take substantial measures to ensure people are properly diagnosed and treated when the conservative members of Congress could care less about protecting the needs of the middle class and the poor of this country? The gun dialogue should not be about protecting ownership, but about protecting the safety of the public, which is why the sudden "mental illness" cause is contrived. I'm in support of any measure that promotes responsible gun ownership and monitoring.