Obama on Senate gun vote: 'A shameful day'

[Won Won]

Love the slippery slope fallacies you dummies love to cling to

"Allow gay people to get married?? That will lead to legalizing animal fukking and pedophilia!"

"Stricter policies and regulations for owning guns?? That will lead to the government taking away all our firearms!"

 

[The Real]

You sound like a coward.

It's the totally anti-gun control people who are cowards. Terrified of the government, criminals, each other... sad. Unfortunately, clinging to weapons won't save them from most of those doomsday scenarios they fear, whereas better background checks will actually stop some of the real-life massacres we can prevent.

 

[Mowgli]

It's the totally anti-gun control people who are cowards. Terrified of the government, criminals, each other... sad. Unfortunately, clinging to weapons won't save them from most of those doomsday scenarios they fear, whereas better background checks will actually stop some of the real-life massacres we can prevent.

We live in the real world. You live in a pipe dream.

 

[The Real]

We live in the real world. You live in a pipe dream.

No, you don't. In the real world, a few assault rifles can't stop the military, nor will they help you stop the majority of criminals any better than other firearms. Poorer background checks don't have any effect on government tyranny. They do enable criminals, though... exactly what you supposedly want to deal with.

So you can either be realistic and embrace that your views don't actually contribute to any good, and that sensible gun control does, or continue to play ostrich while spouting paranoid fantasies about tyranny and all your guns being taken away (which won't happen regardless.)

 

[Mowgli]

No, you don't. In the real world, a few assault rifles can't stop the military, nor will they help you stop the majority of criminals any better than other firearms. Poorer background checks don't have any effect on government tyranny. They do enable criminals, though... exactly what you supposedly want to deal with.

So you can either be realistic and embrace that your views don't actually contribute to any good, and that sensible gun control does, or continue to play ostrich while spouting paranoid fantasies about tyranny and all your guns being taken away (which won't happen regardless.)

Murder is down to levels in the 1960's CURRENTLY and continuing to fall. Im sorry but there is no crisis right now. Liberals are creating a climate of fear where every jackass who commits a murder is speaking on a national crisis as it relates to gun deaths and the numbers just dont show it. Assault rifles arent the primary choice of weapon used in most gun related crimes, its the pistol. Eventually these cacs will come for that too. Im glad Americans arent allowing the left to punk them out of their weapons. We are maintaining things as they are just fine and dont let a few bad eggs ruin it for everyone. The coward is the left. You dont trust your neighbor and the people of your nation to be responsible with weapons so you feel the need to treat adults like children and tell them what they can and cannot have. The same people who tell a woman its ok to murder her baby at the clinic will tell a grown man he cant own an AK. Its disgusting and i just dont agree with your twisted philosophies.

 

[The Real]

Murder is down to levels in the 1960's CURRENTLY and continuing to fall.

So? There's never been a fascist takeover in America, either. Honestly, both of those facts impact more on your position than anyone else's, because it's your fearmongering that makes you cling to the idea that you need assault rifles and that background checks are somehow tyrannical.

Also, Americans kill each other at much higher rates than other developed/wealthy nations, so things are not simply "fine."

Im sorry but there is no crisis right now. Liberals are creating a climate of fear where every jackass who commits a murder is speaking on a national crisis as it relates to gun deaths and the numbers just dont show it.

No one said there was a "crisis." There are preventable situations, and things we can do to prevent them. That's it. Times when massacres and sprees happen are perfect examples of things we can prevent, which is why people have been bringing up gun control in relation to them.

Assault rifles arent the primary choice of weapon used in most gun related crimes, its the pistol.

Another meaningless fact. Gun control is about prevention. There is no need for a citizen to own such a weapon. Most murders aren't committed with rocket launchers or tanks either, but citizens should not be owning those.

The coward is the left. You dont trust your neighbor and the people of your nation to be responsible with weapons so you feel the need to treat adults like children and tell them what they can and cannot have. The same people who tell a woman its ok to murder her baby at the clinic will tell a grown man he cant own an AK. Its disgusting and i just dont agree with your twisted philosophies.

The trust issue is on your end, not mine. You don't trust the government or your neighbors- that's why people like you spout paranoid fantasies of government takeover and drop nonsense about needing to own military-grade weaponry. The few bad apples will always be around. They can be prevented from causing damage, but you don't want to do that. That's really all this comes down to. There is no advantage whatsoever for you in having lax background checks or in owning an assault rifle. All you can talk about is fantasy- abstract freedoms with no positive concrete effects, and many concrete negative ones.

 

[GoPro]

man kills me with his outrage. I can't stand it when cats who have 24 hour armed security don't seem to understand why the average person doesn't want ANY threat to their 2nd ammendment rights.

where was he when me and my daughter walked in the crib and it was nikkas in there taking my shyt???? couldn't even have a gun on me legally then, and everyone would have just been like if I would have gotten shot while going in my own house.

But they dont hear you though

 

[Mowgli]

So? There's never been a fascist takeover in America, either. Honestly, both of those facts impact more on your position than anyone else's, because it's your fearmongering that makes you cling to the idea that you need assault rifles and that background checks are somehow tyrannical.

Also, Americans kill each other at much higher rates than other developed/wealthy nations, so things are not simply "fine."



No one said there was a "crisis." There are preventable situations, and things we can do to prevent them. That's it. Times when massacres and sprees happen are perfect examples of things we can prevent, which is why people have been bringing up gun control in relation to them.



Another meaningless fact. Gun control is about prevention. There is no need for a citizen to own such a weapon. Most murders aren't committed with rocket launchers or tanks either, but citizens should not be owning those.



The trust issue is on your end, not mine. You don't trust the government or your neighbors- that's why people like you spout paranoid fantasies of government takeover and drop nonsense about needing to own military-grade weaponry. The few bad apples will always be around. They can be prevented from causing damage, but you don't want to do that. That's really all this comes down to. There is no advantage whatsoever for you in having lax background checks or in owning an assault rifle. All you can talk about is fantasy- abstract freedoms with no positive concrete effects, and many concrete negative ones.

We're responsible enough to keep guns. You feel the opposite. You are a tyrant sympathizer.

You know how you prevent most crime from happening. Put more cops on the street.

You know how you prevent cacs from wanting to kill people for fun?

I dont either.

 

[The Real]

I know my argument is garbage, so I'm going to try and avoid what you said and respond with a one-line strawman.

More ostrich behavior. Too cowardly to defend your argument, and too paranoid to give up your fantasies. How's the view down there?

You know how you prevent most crime from happening. Put more cops on the street.

And I'm the "tyrant sympathizer?" I don't believe that's the answer, but clearly you bought it.

You know how you prevent cacs from wanting to kill people for fun?

Again, if you want to talk reality, and not fantasy, most murders are perpetrated by Black people against other Black people in the inner city, which is also where most illegal guns are found, so this issue isn't strictly about white folks. Meach already layed that out, and you ignored it so you could keep playing ostrich. Obviously you don't care about Black folks and the hood, since you didn't factor all that in at all, but I guess that's not surprising, given your background.

 

[Mowgli]

More ostrich behavior. Too cowardly to defend your argument, and too paranoid to give up your fantasies. How's the view down there?

I already defended it. i dont need to have a dissertation with you. I explained my position and i understand yours. You dont trust American citiznes to own pistols and assault rifles. Ultimately i feel you would sit on your ass and do nothing if the government wanted to completely ban guns altogether and probably support the notion.

I feel crime is low enough to not support a ban on assault rifles or pistols and i think the average gun owner is responsible and intelligent enough to do the right thing with this gun.

Do i feel gun shows should have background checks, yes. The issue is, when they create these bills they pack in too many other regulations that give the fans what they want but things they dont want and i dont like that. If most guns that end up on the street come from gun shows, attack the gun shows. Dont attack citizens at large who responsibly own their weapons. You socialists sicken me sometimes.

 

[The Real]

I already defended it. i dont need to have a dissertation with you. I explained my position and i understand yours. You dont trust American citiznes to own pistols and assault rifles. Ultimately i feel you would sit on your ass and do nothing if the government wanted to completely ban guns altogether and probably support the notion.

You just misrepresented it with another strawman, so clearly you don't understand my position yet.

I feel crime is low enough to not support a ban on assault rifles or pistols and i think the average gun owner is responsible and intelligent enough to do the right thing with this gun.

Who said anything about pistols? And this has nothing to do with trust or responsibility, so you can stop bringing up those tired ass points. It has to do with the concrete reality of preventable deaths, not abstract scenarios like your position.

Do i feel gun shows should have background checks, yes. The issue is, when they create these bills they pack in too many other regulations that give the fans what they want but things they dont want and i dont like that. If most guns that end up on the street come from gun shows, attack the gun shows. Dont attack citizens at large who responsibly own their weapons. You socialists sicken me sometimes.

Once again, you're assuming the priority of an abstract freedom from the get-go. That's a fantasy view. Get your head out of the ground.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Love the slippery slope fallacies you dummies love to cling to

"Allow gay people to get married?? That will lead to legalizing animal fukking and pedophilia!"

"Stricter policies and regulations for owning guns?? That will lead to the government taking away all our firearms!"

Ya, sounds a little like

"Ban guns and criminals won't have them anymore because criminals don't buy things illegally"

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Ya, sounds a little like

"Ban guns and criminals won't have them anymore because criminals don't buy things illegally"

Too bad that argument is only made by gun advocates trying to muddy the issue.

If criminals not following the law was a good reason not to have laws. Then we should just throw out all laws ever passed. Criminals don't follow them anyway

 

[Won Won]

Ya, sounds a little like

"Ban guns and criminals won't have them anymore because criminals don't buy things illegally"

Except that my examples have been repeated multiple times on this forum alone, and yours has been said by nobody, ever

 

[Momentum]

the stupidity exuded in this post is baffling. Did you read the shyt back to yourself before hitting submit?

The sole purpose of backround checks is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Guns are easy to get because there are no backround checks or laws in place to hold people accountable for where guns end up.

It's amazing that so many black people are in here applauding this bill being shot down. They only stopped the bill because it does effect us so much. The "this wouldn't have stopped sandy hook" argument comes from them, because they are only concerned with little white kids. Anything that has to do with helping little black kids gets blocked and slandered and you stupid nikkas in here promoting their argument.

Got nikkas talking about "why don't Obama care about black issues this much"

This IS a black issue. Our kids are the ones being shot down by illegal guns. That's why they don't want to pass this bill. Gun manufactures make millions of dollars off guns that end up in the hood killing our kids, and you stupid nikkas wanna protest something that could help that

The mind of a militant nikka is a very confused place

Straw purchases are way too easy. Especially at gun shows. You can get anything you want if you got the bread, no checks, nothing. Just show up with $1k (which anyone can scrounge up) and you're leaving with some heat

And the "I need guns to protect myself from the goverment" argument is nonsense as well.

First off a tyranical goverment doesn't need to pass laws or need any support from its citizenry in order to become tyrannical. That's kinda the point. They would be going against the wishes of the people.

Second. They don't need a law to disarm the people. They control imports and gun manufacturers now. If they wanted to disarm the people they would just do it. No need in making a law about it, they would just forcibly remove guns from the hands of citizens. That's the type of thing a tyranical goverment does.

Third. Your argument is that gun control should be blocked cause the goverment might attack us, but it's the goverment who's blocking gun control they dont give a fukk about how you feel. If they wanted to take your weapons and attack they would be passing gun laws, not shutting them down.

The propaganda machine got y'all all confused. They don't give a fukk about your "right to bear arms" they make money when Americans are shooting each other up, then they tell you you're free, so you can continue to support your enslavement. nikkas need to wake up and see what really going on here.

Couldn't have said it better myself.