"Nobody Has Been Able To Dominate The Industry Like Pac Did" -T.I.

[inndaskKy]

Pac created all his post work during his deathrow era.. The people that buy his music are his diehard fans NOT regular consumers. He had a strong fanbase even back then so when he died his fanbase grew bigger. But he didn't make music past the year of 1996. Theres songs out there with people he never meet I don't think Pac would've recorded with alot of these people. Thing is would he be able to change with time. Basically people just buy his music because they are die hard fans, collectors, etc. We don't know how he would've sounded during the bling era, or punchline era, I mean he and Lil Wayne are soo similiar. I bet Lil Wayne has thousands of songs we'll never hear because they live in the studio.

That's the whole point..
That's how Jay-z managed to get 11 #1 albums in a row too. But people are acting like it's not an accomplishment that Pac got so many people to buy his albums after his death, like they were forced to or something. Like any other artist that died ever had enough quality material left for all their fans to buy millions of albums with new material. Once the quality drops below a certain point, people will stop buying except harcore collectors and you won't sell much. Pac's Life proved that point.

It's just a myth that Pac has sold into the dozens of millions because of the hype of his death. He sold that much because he worked so hard that there was enough quality material left for many albums to be released after his death and the target audience and fanbase that he had built during his lifetime (the same one that bought AEOM) bought all those albums. That's the exact same way that a living artist garners sales as well..

It's a myth that Pac started selling millions more after his death than during his lifetime. He had just reached a new level of fame during his lifetime and was about to sell more than he did with his first few albums with each new consecutive album. That's how all artists pre-internet and even now often get on. It's not usual to go multi-platinum on your debut. Snoop could sell that much because of his exposure on The Chronic. Eminem partly because of exposure from 2001 etc.
Just because Pac died right after he had reached a whole new audience for him to target, doesn't mean the hype of his death created those sales.

Here's a telling FACT: All Eyez On Me (released while he was alive) sold more in its first two months than did Killuminati in its first two months, and that's even taking into account that AEOM was a double album and only sold half of its certifications. You tell me what you're basing the claims of his hyped up sales on..
This happened much more with Biggie's LAD than with Pac's albums. I thought numbers didn't lie to you guys?

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Death pushed those two into the tsratusphere and 2Pac to a mythological figure. Nobody cared about Stack Bundles, Big L, Freaky tah etc. when they were alive, the fukk they care when they die? Also the media couldn;t create no headlines for those guys. 2Pac and Biggie's deaths ruled the airwaves. Much like the Death of Michael Jackson & Princesss Di.

Eazy-E and Big Pun both had platinum plaques before they died. Neither is as loved as Pac is nor did they witness any significant spike in record sales when they released posthumus albums. Pac was loved because of songs that shook the soul like Keep Ya Head Up, Brenda's got a baby, Dear Mama, etc. nikkas wanted to be him and women wanted to be with him. He seemed beyond human when he was alive. nikka was fearless, he became Icon status after he got shot 5 times and left the hospital the next day. All this shyt aswell as his look and charisma is what generated interest in Pac. The music was always the key tho. I'll put AEOM up against any album of alltime as far as versatility and quality goes. Dude is simply the goat. He could do an album in 7 days that's better than the shyt it's taken Dr.Dre 13 years to make.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

saids who?

Man Em has a bunch of stand out tracks mixed with fillers. He's a great writer but none of his albums really classic from most hip hop fans pov. His first 3 are really good but classic I'm just not a fan of the type of tracks he makes that shyt is corny and its not real.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

How can anybody say Pac didn't dominate the Industry when MATW was double going on triple platinum when he came home. Then released AEOM which was 5x platinum 4 months after it dropped. Who else was doing those kinda numbers on back to back albums besides MC Hammer? Show me 1 nikka in the 90's that had that kind of success on back to back albums. And im talking about when he was alive he was bragging about AEOM be 5x platinum. Show me 1 other nikka sold like that. You can't do it.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

That's the whole point..
That's how Jay-z managed to get 11 #1 albums in a row too. But people are acting like it's not an accomplishment that Pac got so many people to buy his albums after his death, like they were forced to or something. Like any other artist that died ever had enough quality material left for all their fans to buy millions of albums with new material. Once the quality drops below a certain point, people will stop buying except harcore collectors and you won't sell much. Pac's Life proved that point.

It's just a myth that Pac has sold into the dozens of millions because of the hype of his death. He sold that much because he worked so hard that there was enough quality material left for many albums to be released after his death and the target audience and fanbase that he had built during his lifetime (the same one that bought AEOM) bought all those albums. That's the exact same way that a living artist garners sales as well..

It's a myth that Pac started selling millions more after his death than during his lifetime. He had just reached a new level of fame during his lifetime and was about to sell more than he did with his first few albums with each new consecutive album. That's how all artists pre-internet and even now often get on. It's not usual to go multi-platinum on your debut. Snoop could sell that much because of his exposure on The Chronic. Eminem partly because of exposure from 2001 etc.
Just because Pac died right after he had reached a whole new audience for him to target, doesn't mean the hype of his death created those sales.

Here's a telling FACT: All Eyez On Me (released while he was alive) sold more in its first two months than did Killuminati in its first two months, and that's even taking into account that AEOM was a double album and only sold half of its certifications. You tell me what you're basing the claims of his hyped up sales on..
This happened much more with Biggie's LAD than with Pac's albums. I thought numbers didn't lie to you guys?

I knew Pac sold records while he was alive he was a mega star but he recorded soo much material from that era thats why he music still standing, its the era too. I mean yall act like if Pac was alive other rappers wouldn't exist. I believe we still would've had DMX, Jay-z, Lil Wayne, and all these other rappers if Pac wouldve lived. We just don't know if would've fell off or not. People do get tired of rappers and eventually they have to reinvent themselves. Thats why rappers like Nas, Jay-z, Common etc have longevity because they reinvent themselves. Would Pac have did that?

 

[ManBearPig]

Man Em has a bunch of stand out tracks mixed with fillers. He's a great writer but none of his albums really classic from most hip hop fans pov. His first 3 are really good but classic I'm just not a fan of the type of tracks he makes that shyt is corny and its not real.

The Marshall Mathers LP aint a classic?

now i heard everything

 

[inndaskKy]

I knew Pac sold records while he was alive he was a mega star but he recorded soo much material from that era thats why he music still standing, its the era too. I mean yall act like if Pac was alive other rappers wouldn't exist. I believe we still would've had DMX, Jay-z, Lil Wayne, and all these other rappers if Pac wouldve lived. We just don't know if would've fell off or not. People do get tired of rappers and eventually they have to reinvent themselves. Thats why rappers like Nas, Jay-z, Common etc have longevity because they reinvent themselves. Would Pac have did that?

I like how you completely avoided all of the points I made.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

I knew Pac sold records while he was alive he was a mega star but he recorded soo much material from that era thats why he music still standing, its the era too. I mean yall act like if Pac was alive other rappers wouldn't exist. I believe we still would've had DMX, Jay-z, Lil Wayne, and all these other rappers if Pac wouldve lived. We just don't know if would've fell off or not. People do get tired of rappers and eventually they have to reinvent themselves. Thats why rappers like Nas, Jay-z, Common etc have longevity because they reinvent themselves. Would Pac have did that?

Come on fam. Common and Jay were peons when Pac was alive. Them nikkas could walk thru any mall in middle america without being asked for an autograph. Common ain't doing significant numbers. Pac could sell more units than that nikka at the age of 45. Jay was lucky enough to get in bed with Stoute and Lyor and their connections. It's not like Jay is some marketing genius because if he was he wouldn't need Steve Stoute. So basically it comes down to if you believe Pac was smarter than Nas because if Nas can maintain a somewhat relevant career all this time than what makes you think Pac couldn't? Nobody ever accused Nas of having a great work ethic and business saavy.

 

[ManBearPig]

How can anybody say Pac didn't dominate the Industry when MATW was double going on triple platinum when he came home. Then released AEOM which was 5x platinum 4 months after it dropped. Who else was doing those kinda numbers on back to back albums besides MC Hammer? Show me 1 nikka in the 90's that had that kind of success on back to back albums. And im talking about when he was alive he was bragging about AEOM be 5x platinum. Show me 1 other nikka sold like that. You can't do it.

i'm saying is that more eyes were on Eminem from 1999-2002 than Pac

Not saying that Eminem was putting out better shyt because he wasnt but he literally changed the culture and made white boys who never gave a fukk who rapping until hearing the SSLP

rappers always been homophobia but who got burned the most by the media?

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

i'm saying is that more eyes were on Eminem from 1999-2002 than Pac

Not saying that Eminem was putting out better shyt because he wasnt but he literally changed the culture and made white boys who never gave a fukk who rapping until hearing the SSLP

rappers always been homophobia but who got burned the most by the media?

I don't get your point. Eminem was the same complexion as 70% of the hiphop consumer. Of course more eyes would be on him. He had Jimmy Iovine and Dr.Dre behind him. That means nothing. He sold albums but he didn't change the culture 1 iota. I take nothing away from what EM did. But if Vanilla Ice was backed by a credible BLACK producer in hiphop like Dre he may have had a nice 3-4 run aswell. Em's run has been longer based on sheer talent but Ice would've lasted longer if he had somebody like Dre co-signing him.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

The Marshall Mathers LP aint a classic?

now i heard everything

pop album not really into that corny rap stuff about killing ya moms and girlfriend.

I like how you completely avoided all of the points I made.

How so? I agree Pac was a megastar but would he have been able to reinvent himself over and over to have longevity.

Come on fam. Common and Jay were peons when Pac was alive. Them nikkas could walk thru any mall in middle america without being asked for an autograph. Common ain't doing significant numbers. Pac could sell more units than that nikka at the age of 45. Jay was lucky enough to get in bed with Stoute and Lyor and their connections. It's not like Jay is some marketing genius because if he was he wouldn't need Steve Stoute. So basically it comes down to if you believe Pac was smarter than Nas because if Nas can maintain a somewhat relevant career all this time than what makes you think Pac couldn't? Nobody ever accused Nas of having a great work ethic and business saavy.

Common wasn't a peon he had Ice Cube and WSC attention. Common and Po Pimp put the Chi on Jay was doing songs with MOP he was a protege for Kane, Biggie, and Big L. Jay-Z was well respected throughout hip hop. He did drop his first album the year Pac died but before that Jay was making moves independently. Trust me dude would've blown up regardless because he and Nas helped Foxy blow up with the Ill Na Na album it was only a matter of time. Bottom line yall act like Pac was going to dominate the game forever if he would've lived. I doubt it people would've gotten tired of that

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

pop album not really into that corny rap stuff about killing ya moms and girlfriend.

How so? I agree Pac was a megastar but would he have been able to reinvent himself over and over to have longevity.



Common wasn't a peon he had Ice Cube and WSC attention. Common and Po Pimp put the Chi on Jay was doing songs with MOP he was a protege for Kane, Biggie, and Big L. Jay-Z was well respected throughout hip hop. He did drop his first album the year Pac died but before that Jay was making moves independently. Trust me dude would've blown up regardless because he and Nas helped Foxy blow up with the Ill Na Na album it was only a matter of time. Bottom line yall act like Pac was going to dominate the game forever if he would've lived. I doubt it people would've gotten tired of that

All im telling you is that both Jay and Common could walk in the biggest mall in the state of Kentucky and not be hassled for an autograph in 1996. Pac didn't have that luxury.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

All im telling you is that both Jay and Common could walk in the biggest mall in the state of Kentucky and not be hassled for an autograph in 1996. Pac didn't have that luxury.

Well in 1996 it won't really about being Pop it was about "Keeping it real" and dropping classic albums. The whole "keep it real slogan" was created to comabt those sell out type rappers. But they were definently known and respected by hip hop heads and their rap peers they weren't peons. Common had a song with Lauryn

 

[inndaskKy]

How so? I agree Pac was a megastar but would he have been able to reinvent himself over and over to have longevity.

As I said, he dominated even in death. With material that was a few years old. Why would you reinvent yourself when you're still selling? Also, Pac reinvented himself several times over in only 5 years during his lifetime. There is no reason to suspect that an artist as versatile as he was would have any problems maintaining at least the same type of relevance that Nas or Jay have now.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

As I said, he dominated even in death. With material that was a few years old. Why would you reinvent yourself when you're still selling? Also, Pac reinvented himself several times over in only 5 years during his lifetime. There is no reason to suspect that an artist as versatile as he was would have any problems maintaining at least the same type of relevance that Nas or Jay have now.

Exactly. nikkas talking like MATW sounded like AEOM. nikkas talking like AEOM sounded anything like Makaveli. Dude was the most versatile artist in the history of hiphop and there's no debating that.