“No tangibles, No vote” doesn’t make any sense in the current political landscape.

Wiseborn

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More and more I coming to the realization that many of our coli friends really don’t want tangibles for Black America, friend. :francis:
Would you support reparations if they went solely to reverified descendants of slaves

But only to heads of households?/ meaning it would have to benefit Black children?
 

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bothsiders are just a self centered and selfish movement. they have no plan except chaos. sounds familiar to a certain political movement that starts with 'ma' and ends with 'ga'.

not even the elders yall frequently talk about wouldn't want you.

if the felon wins and his minions implement project 2025, bothsiders will just say "dems should have..." while black folks lose even more wealth, access to healthcare, educational choice, housing, etc...

why don't yall have a strategy? shouldn't a strategy entail using the best options you have while planning to make better?
The strategy is blow the system up and somehow I guess Black people are supposed to benefit

That might be a tactic if you plan to leave the country

But it would work out the same way it did in the Jim crow south where the smart Black people would run from their country to whatever country had the best deal for them
 
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Our strategy is to leverage our votes for actual benefits...
does that mean only voting when you feel it benefits you? that's not really a strategy fam. you should vote off rip from a strategic perspective.

it seems bothsides look to politicians as a savior. that's not what that is. political representation is a tool and should be used in combination with economic and social pressure. like our peoples did back in the 50s and 60s. the gov had to interfere in our communities and with our leadership to stall that progress. and then a lot of us took our foot off the gas to be honest.

a recent snapshot in time of how exerting political and social pressure works to our favor is summer/fall 2020. businesses and politicians had to fall back. sustaining that type of effort is very difficult, but that's very likely what it will take.

....but it's impossible when people like you won't even PRETEND to be willing to not vote Democrat to pressure them into bending the knee.

people like me... 😂 fam, i can only hope that you've done as much for black folks in your circle as i have. and i don't tell people how to vote.

that said, most black folks are practical and vote for those more likely to advance our political agenda (or at least not block it). in a national election, when my choice comes down to one or the other, i'm voting dem because they are far less likely to railroad us compared to repubs. for example, only one of the potus candidates said straight up he would block any idea of reparations. only one guy is dead set on scaling back previously enshrined protections and safety nets for the less fortunate. fukk that guy, i don't need him or his minions in the way.

If Black people 20-40 years or so ago all said "no tangibles, no vote" in unison, and stuck to it, we wouldn't even be here...
you seem to think these politicians would suffer without the black vote. they'd still have their jobs. they'd still get lobbied. they won't be hurting for shyt. repubs would consolidate even more power and try to do even more evil shyt. again, it takes more than just voting, but it and also take more than just voting for president. there's non-political work to be done and very few folks committed to doing it.

The Democrats would have folded or lost, and then been forced to fold, and Black people would probably be in infinitely better shape, and reparations would be in progress, or on the way. There's a decent chance Philando Castile, Tamir Rice, George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, etc. would be alive. Black people's fear and willingness to go along to get along with Benign Neglect is why we're circling the drain.
i agree dems have been pussified when it comes to using the power given. repubs are ruthless. dems want to meet people in the middle or come to a consensus. fukk that. the supreme court says you can get away with murder...at lest flex like you might use it.

as for the brehs and brehettes taken by those power tripping boys...they deserve justice. period point blank. i also know there would be even more of us murdered or caught in the prison cycle unjustly if we let repubs run wild. do the knowledge on incarceration rates and prison sentencing after dem admins compared to repubs. rates traditionally decline after dem admins, but increase after repub admins (or stay high in red governed states).

at the end of the day i'm all for benefits/tangibles and i've always been a supporter of reparations. you won't find me saying otherwise. i'm also don't have short term expectations given the history and systematic racism in this country. we can't depend on politics to save the day, but we need to make sure they aren't in the way. that may be the simplest difference between dems and repubs.
 

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We have a two party system. Who is tasked with stopping Republicans if not Democrats?
Technically, the voters.

Dems and Republicans are supposed to work together *unless* there has been a strong enough voter mandate to make a party a majority (see 40 years of a Democratic Congress following the New Deal). What most people seem to miss are the following:

  • Republicans are NOT getting everything they want with Dems always on the losing end. Actually looking at congressional voting records would prove as much.
  • Democrats can be in the majority, but if they are not a 60 vote majority in the Senate, it is easy for Republicans to simply filibuster and walk away. The same can be said if Dems are in the minority in the Senate.
  • It is easier to make the process slam to a halt than it is to speed it up unless you have absolute consensus.
With these things in mind, the rationale should be "Does my representatives have the tools to do for me what I ask of them?" Whether or not they follow up is a separate issue, but whether they can do something in the first place is important. The system was originally made to dissuade political parties as mentioned in the Federalist Papers, but it ultimately evolved that way and between money in politics and gerrymandering, we end up in todays mess. Folks have to vote en masse but politics has literally turned into "Once every 4 years" for most people so we don't turn up like other countries do when our representatives fukk us. It's the most hands off it could possibly be.
 
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OK what's that got to do with Heritage Foundation?
heritage foundation and dozens of other far right think tanks - cato institute, manhattan institute, federalist society, et.al. - have tens of thousands of well trained and devout follwers of trumpism who will fill every critical position in washington if trump wins.

bypassing congress, he will prosecute his fascist agenda by executive decree, which the courts will codify.

:francis:
 
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Technically, the voters.

Dems and Republicans are supposed to work together *unless* there has been a strong enough voter mandate to make a party a majority (see 40 years of a Democratic Congress following the New Deal). What most people seem to miss are the following:

  • Republicans are NOT getting everything they want with Dems always on the losing end. Actually looking at congressional voting records would prove as much.
  • Democrats can be in the majority, but if they are not a 60 vote majority in the Senate, it is easy for Republicans to simply filibuster and walk away. The same can be said if Dems are in the minority in the Senate.
  • It is easier to make the process slam to a halt than it is to speed it up unless you have absolute consensus.
With these things in mind, the rationale should be "Does my representatives have the tools to do for me what I ask of them?" Whether or not they follow up is a separate issue, but whether they can do something in the first place is important. The system was originally made to dissuade political parties as mentioned in the Federalist Papers, but it ultimately evolved that way and between money in politics and gerrymandering, we end up in todays mess. Folks have to vote en masse but politics has literally turned into "Once every 4 years" for most people so we don't turn up like other countries do when our representatives fukk us. It's the most hands off it could possibly be.
Yeah, but the politicians aren't really representative of their constituents. Americans want way less war than our federal representatives, free healthcare is very popular as well as corporate oversight. And our pols do not care at all they got their own agenda.
 

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heritage foundation and dozens of other far right think tanks - cato institute, manhattan institute, federalist society, et.al. - have tens of thousands of well trained and devout follwers of trumpism who will fill every critical position in washington if trump wins.

bypassing congress, he will be prosecute his fascist agenda by executive decree, which the courts will codify.

:francis:
Every? They can't do it without passing legislation in Congress. He can't just bypass Congress. Thus Dems stopping them, right? Or are all the Dem Senators and House members not going to do anything and just let him do it? Why are you acting like Trump got mind control over them or something? lol
 

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Yeah, but the politicians aren't really representative of their constituents. Americans want way less war than our federal representatives, free healthcare is very popular as well as corporate oversight. And our pols do not care at all they got their own agenda.
This is true, but it is because the wrong people are getting into government. It literally costs so much to be any sort of federal rep that you have to be plugged in. If local politicians popped off and where voted up in force, there could be change. Again, it requires so much overwhelming voting that margin for error does not apply. That assumes again that the candidates are there and they have to look serious. Not some unkept mouth breather who serves coffee and vouches for some socialist ideals, but well groomed regular people who can be pushed locally to take on establishment.

That said, I will say, politicians are not always entirely not representing their constituents, its just that we typically remember what we don't get more than what we do get unless what we do get is something generational like universal healthcare. The fact that Republicans were able to stifle some of Biden's drug cost agenda means most of the savings go to Seniors, which is fine, but it doesn't affect enough people for us to collectively remember and vote with it in mind. If Student Loan forgiveness was not stunted, that shyt alone would have been a lynchpin move.
 

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Would you support reparations if they went solely to reverified descendants of slaves

But only to heads of households?/ meaning it would have to benefit Black children?
So only reparations for FBAs with children?

If you’re going that route for Black children . Only Married heads of households with Black children, friend.
 

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I swore this nikka was saying he was burning his vote on West like a week ago. Which is basically like not voting.

Now he’s completely flipped :russ:

What the hell happened between then and now
 
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