No diploma, no problem: Navy again lowers requirements as it struggles to meet recruitment goals

[MegaTronBomb!]

Many younger people have a conscious and don't want to be a part of spreading white extremism and imperialism around the world

Plus many can make more money and have more freedom than enlisting.

Also, the whole "They defend our rights" doesn't inspire as hard when we never get invaded and have to travel thousands of miles looking for a fight.

Do you think this is the first generation of youth that's displayed some sense of global awareness?

A lot of these cats got tired of working dead end/low wage jobs,living in places with no type of economic opportunity...or were willing to trade 4-5 years of their life to get themselves everything they need to go do something else without incurring massive expenses.

an early 20's E4/E5 likely has more job skills,experience,income,paid leave and opportunity than their college counterpart... and the only "freedom" they're really giving up is the ability to do drugs,hairstyles and being out of shape.

 

[Yzak]

Do you think this is the first generation of youth that's displayed some sense of global awareness?

No, but they're clearly more connected and aware due to Internet and social media.

A lot of these cats got tired of working dead end/low wage jobs,living in places with no type of economic opportunity...or were willing to trade 4-5 years of their life to get themselves everything they need to go do something else without incurring massive expenses.

an early 20's E4/E5 likely has more job skills,experience,income,paid leave and opportunity than their college counterpart... and the only "freedom" they're really giving up is the ability to do drugs,hairstyles and being out of shape.

This is silly, you act like all the people filling gyms are military. And seems like most people aren't being lured in by economic incentives (thus the low recruitment numbers), so they're likely making more than they would if enlisted or are satisfied with their level.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Unless they’re all going to be deck swabbys most navy jobs take some form of intelligence

This isn’t good

No, it doesn’t

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Yeah, I've heard stories about how the kats that are chiefs now were getting paid like $300 a check back in the day.

And that clothing allowance still hits brazy. Nothing like an extra $350 hitting that bank account

Technically, I would’ve been at least a chief by now… or Senior

I get med separated though. Everything seems like small potatoes now.

But it has changed I heard. I know a bunch of airmen now retiring, but they were basically having to pay for their retirement out of their active duty pay. That changed somepoint after I got out.

They’ve changed a lot of VA shyt too that unless you were grandfathered in, you may miss out. Ive seen people doing very well though and some not

 

[HabitualChiller]

Technically, I would’ve been at least a chief by now… or Senior

I get med separated though. Everything seems like small potatoes now.

But it has changed I heard. I know a bunch of airmen now retiring, but they were basically having to pay for their retirement out of their active duty pay. That changed somepoint after I got out.

They’ve changed a lot of VA shyt too that unless you were grandfathered in, you may miss out. Ive seen people doing very well though and some not

I've never heard about that retirement part. That's fukking nuts SMH.

I need to talk to you one of these days because I goofed. I have to know what the outcome will be prior to that, though.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

No, but they're clearly more connected and aware due to Internet and social media.



This is silly, you act like all the people filling gyms are military. And seems like most people aren't being lured in by economic incentives (thus the low recruitment numbers), so they're likely making more than they would if enlisted or are satisfied with their level.

You either didn't understand what i typed, or you're looking for a way to circle around what you read.

If you took an average E5 stationed in Norfolk at age 23 vs. their college graduate equivalent who's also making $61,000/yr.... That E5 likely has more of their income available because it's not allotted to typical expenses such as debt and loans...a considerable portion of their pay is also untaxed and the ability and isn't at risk of being laid off or fired....plus they likely got paid a bonus to enlist/re-enlist,graduate from A school and may get special pay or security clearances depending on their field.

That's not even counting that servicemember getting out, going to school and getting a degree/certification without incurring massive debt and being a more desirable job hire



This also furthers my point that many people do not truly understand what the military can offer because people keep rehashing Furious Styles speech to Ricky in Boyz N The Hood or simply don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Yzak]

You either didn't understand what i typed, or you're looking for a way to circle around what you read.

If you took an average E5 stationed in Norfolk at age 23 vs. their college graduate equivalent who's also making $61,000/yr.... That E5 likely has more of their income available because it's not allotted to typical expenses such as debt and loans...a considerable portion of their pay is also untaxed and the ability and isn't at risk of being laid off or fired....plus they likely got paid a bonus to enlist/re-enlist,graduate from A school and may get special pay or security clearances depending on their field.

That's not even counting that servicemember getting out, going to school and getting a degree/certification without incurring massive debt and being a more desirable job hire



This also furthers my point that many people do not truly understand what the military can offer because people keep rehashing Furious Styles speech to Ricky in Boyz N The Hood or simply don't know what they're talking about.

And like I said, that clearly isn't enough to draw people in, so they're either making more or are comfortable at their financial level.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

These young men don’t want to do anything anymore. All they do is stay home masterbate and watch red pill videos trying to figure out why they aren’t happy yet.

But from the military lowering requirements, to real colleges and universities being available online there are so many avenues for these young men and they refuse to do anything about it

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

And like I said, that clearly isn't enough to draw people in, so they're either making more or are comfortable at their financial level.

My point in the thread is that recruiters and methods to recruit are the point of failure, not what's being offered.

18-25 year olds are at much more of a deficit in terms of cost of living,job opportunity and wages than ANY other demographic other than the elderly....so what you're saying isn't realistic.

but yeah bro, you right.

 

[Charlie Hustle]

Technically, I would’ve been at least a chief by now… or Senior

I get med separated though. Everything seems like small potatoes now.

But it has changed I heard. I know a bunch of airmen now retiring, but they were basically having to pay for their retirement out of their active duty pay. That changed somepoint after I got out.

They’ve changed a lot of VA shyt too that unless you were grandfathered in, you may miss out. Ive seen people doing very well though and some not

I'd be a O-6 by now or KIA.... Contracting was a better move. Been doing it since 2007 and I'm senior management now and still young.

 

[Fill Collins]

You should have to do a minimum of 2 years once you turn 18.

Why?

 

[ItsPeople]

Why?

It gives you direction, discipline, and structure.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Unless they’re all going to be deck swabbys most navy jobs take some form of intelligence

This isn’t good

They’ll still have to go to tech school and if they can’t cut it then they won’t make it anyway. This just makes more candidates to choose from. There should only be the qualification to join by being old enough to. Anyone who is adept enough to make it through tech school should able to.

 

[Sterling Archer]

People aren't trying to die for this country and we live in a climate of constant conflict. We got a future event internally with this election cycle. Russia-Ukraine, middle east stuff that the US always seems to be involved in.

People keep pushing the military on individuals who don't have great career prospects (and it came be a come-up for them) but some people are opposed to killing. I feel like that perspective gets lost on some. A lot of people are opposed to the idea of brandishing a gun and killing someone.

Majority of military jobs are noncombatants so what are you talking about?

 

[TheGreatMTB]

Majority of military jobs are noncombatants so what are you talking about?

Do you believe joining the military is more likely to put you in a position to kill someone than a non-military job in the United States?