Nicki Minaj, Hot 97 & hypocrisy in Hip Hop

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When you've seen a lot in life u begin to understand that BALANCE is the most important element to being successful or being happy! That's why when you decide to make a hip hop album you know you have to have something for everybody, but it is also important (if you love hip hop of course) that you have a core of songs that really represent your musical taste or beliefs! You can do a song that's good for dancing but also has a message in it! you can talk about being rich, but from the perspective of what money you made yaself and how you go around the clubs....if you follow the trends you really put a stop sign to your creativity! You just have to be bold and enterpreneurial about your craft! And that goes for any style of muzaek! When executives start creating your direction - U R OVA! So before you crave a record deal learn about the muzic biz, read about the faults and mishaps of other artists! The internet is full of stories and "tutorials" of how not to be in showbiz! Patience is also a very helpful quality if you want to be successful! But i do agree that people in that biz are not ready for constructive critisizm and most of these "STARS", especially LIL WAYNE will run to poppa when a reporter asks them the "WRONG" question! Hip hop is full of grown up babies that hide behind bodyguards, executives and pr b****s! So if you can't handle the truth just get the **** outta here!
 

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I left it alone, bruh.

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Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam.

Some of you need to study more and talk less.
And you point is what? Do you know every hip hop artist to ever grace a mic? What does she have to do with my original statement? What song does she have that I should know about in order for my opinion to be valid?
 

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In school you learn history...

y'all mofos swear y'all know the end all of Hip Hop but have no idea who is who...

Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam were big enough to know if you actually go back and listen to older music.
 

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In school you learn history...

y'all mofos swear y'all know the end all of Hip Hop but have no idea who is who...

Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam were big enough to know if you actually go back and listen to older music.

I've never claimed to know the end all of hip hop. I do go back and listen to older music and honestly this is the first time I have ever heard mention of her name, obviously she is not very popular. I didn't say she wasn't worth knowing about or listening to. I simply explained my thoughts on why Mary j was Considered the queen of hiphop.I am going to give her a listen now because you guys have me interested. But don't try to act like she's some big artist that all fans should know about FOH with that. I could name some artists that you probly have never heard of, does that discredit your opinion?
 

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Arguments about what constitutes a genre have always been part of every genre. Even in the earliest days of hip-hop, people were arguing about whether disco influence in the music was a good thing or a bad thing, real progress or "sellout" influence.

Starships as a song is trash. It's just straight up not a good song and doesn't capitalize on any of Nicki's strengths (actual rapping.) She wanted to avoid being pigeonholed the way many female rappers are, but in the process she ended up coming off as a Lady Gaga/Katy Perry clone... hardly original, innovative, or different, as this article claims. I'm not a fan of her music in general, but it's clear her rapping is far superior to this style she's trying to dabble in and that this song in particular could have been on any 3rd-rate pop star's album. The idea that we have to accept it or we're being narrow-minded is pure commercialist propaganda.
I completely disagree with you here. I actually think that Starships is a good song for what kind of song it's supposed to be. I went to YouTube and listened to it the other day because of the hype, and the posting that I listened to the song on had like 13 million hits and almost all of the comments were positive with people quoting the lyrics and all. Those are the people that she was catering to. As for the song itself, it's catchy and although it's certainly not for me, I can understand why the pop audience likes it. I think that people need to get over themselves when it comes to taste and personal preference. Obviously the song wasn't made to cater to "us"(the hiphop fans of sites like this), so why judge like it was? I think that her best songs are the pop joints where she's not really doing a whole lot of hardcore rapping. I think that her biggest strength as an artist is her ability to make pop songs like Starships. Ive never been all that impressed with her emcee skills, and I knew about her when she was remaking "Warning". On her best days as a emcee she's still below what Kim and Foxy were at their best. As an emcee she wasn't saying or doing anything that those 2 hadn't said or done. What's her best verse, Monster? That verse is borderline garbage if you want to e honest. She fooled the public into thinking that was a hot verse, that was a magic act. She's a pop star not a rap star, and she's smart for recognizing that. I'm not even a fan personally. I'm not into pop music for the most part, plus she seems like she has a stank attitude. I'm also not a fan of all the fakeness.
 

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I've never claimed to know the end all of hip hop. I do go back and listen to older music and honestly this is the first time I have ever heard mention of her name, obviously she is not very popular. I didn't say she wasn't worth knowing about or listening to. I simply explained my thoughts on why Mary j was Considered the queen of hiphop.I am going to give her a listen now because you guys have me interested. But don't try to act like she's some big artist that all fans should know about FOH with that. I could name some artists that you probly have never heard of, does that discredit your opinion?

cool.. maybe we think she's bigger than she is.. I will say she only had maybe a few hits.. Its all good
 

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Hold up now this argument is not thats complex as some would like. Rappers had a chance as collective to stop the whore side of hip hop but they didn't. Premo, Rza, KRS One and a few others touched on this in the mid-late 90's. And yes starships is wack
 

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When I think about it.. Lisa Lisa was more known for her t*ts than anything..lol
 

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Hold up now this argument is not thats complex as some would like. Rappers had a chance as collective to stop the whore side of hip hop but they didn't. Premo, Rza, KRS One and a few others touched on this in the mid-late 90's. And yes starships is wack


What the hell? You can't control the will of people.
 
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