Nicki Minaj, Hot 97 & hypocrisy in Hip Hop

[wolfpoppa]

What?

sorry i didnt make it clear that i was talking about white's or what are considered "outsiders" in the hip hop community, when i was talking about "keeping their mouths closed" [was in the middle of an intense conversation in the real world] . and POC= person/people of color

 

[Harry B]

I'm not feeling the fact that these radio personalities are feeling themselves, specially young ones. Rosenberg acting like Nicki Minaj should pick up his calls? She's a fukking world mega star, he's a worker, a radio worker. Don't call people you don't know and expect them to pick up unless they've got a customer service or something of that sort.

There are thousands of radio people from Japan to Hungry to Russia to Japan to Montana to NY, HOT 97 alone has like 20 or something.
Who the fukk is he? He's not put in work like Hogan or dikksucking Cee, he's not made contacts like them either but he seems to think he's Howard Stern of rap.
Nicki better send some Queens goons at him to slap some sense into him.. I don't like Nicki and I cosigned with he said, but his behavior is embarrassing.

 

[wolfpoppa]

Also, I don't believe that people don't just "sell out" one day. I really don't believe in that. Maybe you thought they were something that they just never were.

As an addendum: There is a conflict or some sort of problem with black music and coming into the mainstream, which puts hip hop in a tough spot. Pop music is dominated/made for white mainstream culture. Therefore, when a black artist/genre enters the mainstream, they lose a part of their "blackness" in order to cater to the masses. This is something Rosenberg will never comprehend because when he was enjoying hip hop as a young man it was not as popular or commercialized as it is today. I'm not saying this is the case 100% of the time, but it is there more often than not. An extreme example would be the late MJ.

I don't know if I have articulated this as well as I would like, but... I'm kinda lazy and it's late here.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

"But to reject “Starships” is to reject the idea of hip-hop as a big tent with room for multiple ideas and micromovements and polarities. That creates the sort of boundary designed to discourage outsiders, innovation and difference. It is the kind of tactic once deployed to keep hip-hop as a whole at arm’s length from the mainstream. "

This part is total bullshyt.^

Arguments about what constitutes a genre have always been part of every genre. Even in the earliest days of hip-hop, people were arguing about whether disco influence in the music was a good thing or a bad thing, real progress or "sellout" influence.

Starships as a song is trash. It's just straight up not a good song and doesn't capitalize on any of Nicki's strengths (actual rapping.) She wanted to avoid being pigeonholed the way many female rappers are, but in the process she ended up coming off as a Lady Gaga/Katy Perry clone... hardly original, innovative, or different, as this article claims. I'm not a fan of her music in general, but it's clear her rapping is far superior to this style she's trying to dabble in and that this song in particular could have been on any 3rd-rate pop star's album. The idea that we have to accept it or we're being narrow-minded is pure commercialist propaganda.

Then say "Starships" is a wack song, not Nicki ain't hip hop. Plenty of rappers make wack songs or not so "hip hop" songs.

 

[SuikodenII]

Hip-hop is basically a slick, audible whored-out marketing vehicle for high-end and urban fashion brands.

It boggles my mind how the fukk does anyone fall for the trap of "siding" with "real" or "fake".

Remember this all you autistic hip-hop nerds (or should I say more precisely - elitist c*nts);

ANY RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR MOTHERfukkING MONEY IS A SELL OUT

and

AND RAPPER THAT RAPS FOR NO MONEY (OR ANY KIND OF MATERIALISTIC BARTER) AT ALL IS REAL


Now.


Who's real?


Exactly.

Not all hip-hop falls under this, nor want to...

Some people are so lost for so long they actually believe they're on the right path, going nowhere in the process

 

[Tetris v2.0]

AND? Since when has Lauryn given you a hip hop album to digest?

Shoulda said Jean Grae, but you catch my drift

That's your feelings on it. But she came up no differently than me and many others who our everyday existance is what others who don't live it call hip hop. She can determine whatever direction she wants to go. You let me know when she herself said shes defining hip hop like that carpetbagger.

I dont care to search for it, but Nicki said has gone on record saying that she is an UNDERGROUND ARTIST

It seems like she wants to cover all bases. She wants to be irrefutably "hip-hop", yet she is making some of the most derivative, contrived and blatantly mainstream music right now.

Thats fine if she makes pop hits, Im not being forced to listen, but she feels that her hip-hop "pass" if you will, is teflon. And that is simply horsesh1t

 

[NYC Rebel]

Shoulda said Jean Grae, but you catch my drift



I dont care to search for it, but Nicki said has gone on record saying that she is an UNDERGROUND ARTIST

It seems like she wants to cover all bases. She wants to be irrefutably "hip-hop", yet she is making some of the most derivative, contrived and blatantly mainstream music right now.

Thats fine if she makes pop hits, Im not being forced to listen, but she feels that her hip-hop "pass" if you will, is teflon. And that is simply horsesh1t

She WAS at one time, but everything she says now says she's above ground.

Either way, I'm not about to defend her constant bytching about not getting any love. She's no different than Talib whining about it. But I do not hear her waving the flag for hip hop like that cornball Rosenberg who for all his life as it relates to the culture, cherry picked what he wanted to embrace.

 

[wolfpoppa]

Shoulda said Jean Grae, but you catch my drift



I dont care to search for it, but Nicki said has gone on record saying that she is an UNDERGROUND ARTIST

It seems like she wants to cover all bases. She wants to be irrefutably "hip-hop", yet she is making some of the most derivative, contrived and blatantly mainstream music right now.

Thats fine if she makes pop hits, Im not being forced to listen, but she feels that her hip-hop "pass" if you will, is teflon. And that is simply horsesh1t

Just because she said she is underground doesn't mean she truly believes she is... maybe she does... but she probably is smart enough to know she is not... Either that or she has some contrived idea for what an "underground" artist is. Rappers/"artists" say a lot of dumb shyt they probably don't believe, or know is not true.

 

[L. Deezy]

Perfect description

He's a guy from the suburbs of Maryland that recently claimed that ASAP Rocky (a kid from Harlem) wasn't "New York enough"...

He's a clown...

lol.. ay I thought I was the only one that thought ASAP Rocky wasnt from NY. He sounds southern. Same for Meek Mill.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

Shoulda said Jean Grae, but you catch my drift



I dont care to search for it, but Nicki said has gone on record saying that she is an UNDERGROUND ARTIST

It seems like she wants to cover all bases. She wants to be irrefutably "hip-hop", yet she is making some of the most derivative, contrived and blatantly mainstream music right now.

Thats fine if she makes pop hits, Im not being forced to listen, but she feels that her hip-hop "pass" if you will, is teflon. And that is simply horsesh1t

LMAO! Dude she's a mainstream artist anything she makes will be mainstream. She could make a song unlike anything ever heard, some people would call it genius others like you would call it wack.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Then say "Starships" is a wack song, not Nicki ain't hip hop. Plenty of rappers make wack songs or not so "hip hop" songs.

Starships is wack, AND nicki is not hiphop. What makes her so hiphop? Cause she raps SOMETIMES. Garth Brooks raps sometimes is he hiphop?

We define different genres so the fans can at least have an idea of what they are getting when they purchase an album. If I purchase the number one jazz album I don't want to here nikkas rappin about their gold chains. Same here if you are going to categorize nicki's album with other hip hop than they should at least have similar sounds. Not to limit rap to one type of sound but the person should at least be Rapping most of the time.

Why do you think white people came up with different names for different subsets of rock music? Because Bob Dylin shouldn't have to compete with korn. It's different music with different sets of fans.

The thing that bothers me about Nicki minaj is that she likes to act one way in her songs, dissin lil Kim, talmbout her balls, her Coochie and fukkin other bytches. Then she gets in the interviews and acts like she isn't selling this shyt to the kids and she is just an innocent victim getting targeted by the man. She knows she is making music exclusively for the pop croud so why get upset when someone says it.

The shyt is totally playing the public for fools and making $ off it. I can't respect that, and if black people want to continue our advancement into society we need to hold our higher ups to higher standards. It's not just about getting $. We let white people take over our culture a loooong time ago and nicki is a product of that.

She wouldn't make the music she makes if the rich white people didn't want her to, then we want to defend her music and say it's ok, shyts discusting.

 

[The Real]

Then say "Starships" is a wack song, not Nicki ain't hip hop. Plenty of rappers make wack songs or not so "hip hop" songs.

I didn't comment on whether or not Nicki herself is hip-hop, but Starships is not hip-hop, besides being a wack song.

 

[wolfpoppa]

Starships is wack, AND nicki is not hiphop. What makes her so hiphop? Cause she raps SOMETIMES. Garth Brooks raps sometimes is he hiphop?

We define different genres so the fans can at least have an idea of what they are getting when they purchase an album. If I purchase the number one jazz album I don't want to here nikkas rappin about their gold chains. Same here if you are going to categorize nicki's album with other hip hop than they should at least have similar sounds. Not to limit rap to one type of sound but the person should at least be Rapping most of the time.

Why do you think white people came up with different names for different subsets of rock music? Because Bob Dylin shouldn't have to compete with korn. It's different music with different sets of fans.

The thing that bothers me about Nicki minaj is that she likes to act one way in her songs, dissin lil Kim, talmbout her balls, her Coochie and fukkin other bytches. Then she gets in the interviews and acts like she isn't selling this shyt to the kids and she is just an innocent victim getting targeted by the man. She knows she is making music exclusively for the pop croud so why get upset when someone says it.

The shyt is totally playing the public for fools and making $ off it. I can't respect that, and if black people want to continue our advancement into society we need to hold our higher ups to higher standards. It's not just about getting $. We let white people take over our culture a loooong time ago and nicki is a product of that.

She wouldn't make the music she makes if the rich white people didn't want her to, then we want to defend her music and say it's ok, shyts discusting.

I'm not sure what you mean by "higher up", but if you're just talking about rappers, then OK. On the other hand, rappers/entertainers, should not be the "higher ups"... people/kids need some more intelligent/enlightening people to look up to nowadays with most of the garbage in our mainstream culture- especially mainstream hip hop nowadays.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

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[MeachTheMonster]

I'm not sure what you mean by "higher up", but if you're just talking about rappers, then OK. On the other hand, rappers/entertainers, should not be the "higher ups"... people/kids need some more intelligent/enlightening people to look up to nowadays with most of the garbage in our mainstream culture- especially mainstream hip hop nowadays.

Higher ups are anybody with the power to influence our kids and our culture, unfortantaly rappers fit in that category. Also our higher ups are the people that give the rappers a platform to stand on, we should hold them accountable for what they promote as well.