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What the fukk? You do know they have black barbie's right? barbie is also the most iconic toy in history.
Nicki Minaj, Hot 97 & hypocrisy in Hip Hop
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What the fukk? You do know they have black barbie's right? barbie is also the most iconic toy in history.
Hussein Fonzarelli
The Whitey Corp.
No no no, Im takin it as "we are solely responsible for such and such"
No you aint. Nobodys responsible for those types of things, the creative stuff.
The only thing we have in this dumb ass world that separate us from animales, the power to CREATE, to make something out of pure imagination.......we tryin badge it to ourselves and hold it?
fukk it.
Music is music, it aint no color exclusively responsible for it.
Ken Piffey Jr.
Pro
This is dangerous racism if you apply this to other areas...
Hussein Fonzarelli
The Whitey Corp.
Lets not be a dumb asses lets not pretend we dont see her and beyonce and whole other c*nts trying to be as white as motherfukking alabaster.
Poppa_Dock
:gladlebron:
there is also things that go into music that are from outside influence, play style tone quickness softness instrument tuning etc.
nothing is exclusive to anybody
Peruvian Connect
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So nobody saw that the article says nicki was one of the most gifted mc's at summer jam, and wale and j.cole are wack.
how could y'all endorse this shyt
Because it's actually true. I like Wale to an extent, but J.Cole is blah. Though I do like that song with Missy. Nicki's catalog is very versatile and she usually has entertaining performances. That makes her better.
aRoMaN21
over 14 years in the shade...
lol. THeresa was a better doll than barbie.
and the peruvian likes minaj??
go figure. one killed trayvon and now one of them wants the youth dead too.
off.that.black&mild.smoke
Rookie
finally!
i agree, that cant be the ONLY truth.
my posts was not about this or that being EXCLUSIVE to black folks.
black music is a foundation, from slave hollers, work songs, chain gangs rhyming (literally) over tracks (albeit for trains), and the villages and griots of africa.
Griot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
afrika bambataa went crazy when he heard "trans-euro express" by kraftwerk, and he went on to make what he called electro funk.
see how that works?
*a (trans euro express) starts off as this, then becomes b (planet rock)
*a (derrick may's electronic soul music which was dubbed techno) starts off as this, then becomes b, c, d, e, f, g...etc
nowhere in the above does it state "THIS BELONGS TO BLACK PEOPLE ONLY GET THE fukk OUT IF YOU AINT BLACK" - krafwerk aint black and are apart of hip hop
blondie aint black and ARE apart of hip hop
eric claption aint black but he's apart of the blues
so on and so forth
if i want to make this argument you think i'm making, i'd post this song and be done with it
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NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
finally!
i agree, that cant be the ONLY truth.
my posts was not about this or that being EXCLUSIVE to black folks.
black music is a foundation, from slave hollers, work songs, chain gangs rhyming (literally) over tracks (albeit for trains), and the villages and griots of africa.
Griot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lightning- Long John (Old song by a chain gang) - YouTube
afrika bambataa went crazy when he heard "trans-euro express" by kraftwerk, and he went on to make what he called electro funk.
see how that works?
*a (trans euro express) starts off as this, then becomes b (planet rock)
*a (derrick may's electronic soul music which was dubbed techno) starts off as this, then becomes b, c, d, e, f, g...etc
nowhere in the above does it state "THIS BELONGS TO BLACK PEOPLE ONLY GET THE fukk OUT IF YOU AINT BLACK" - krafwerk aint black and are apart of hip hop
blondie aint black and ARE apart of hip hop
eric claption aint black but he's apart of the blues
so on and so forth
if i want to make this argument you think i'm making, i'd post this song and be done with it
Gil Scott-Heron / Ain't No New Thing - YouTube
Who said that?
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
People always takes bits and pieces of something and make it their own. shyt...the english language is nothing but bad German. But hip hop was a byproduct of budget cuts, and cats in MY hood still finding a way to make due with what little we had.
The problem is when people outside of that think they can do a better job at explaining MY story. fukk that. It's the same arrogance that where people say Columbus "discovered America" when there were people already here.
Rosenberg has no place to speak on whats "real" when the people who he may not agree with and are not immersed with, waking up every day to feel otherwise. It's that typical arrogance that sickens folks.
The problem is when people outside of that think they can do a better job at explaining MY story. fukk that. It's the same arrogance that where people say Columbus "discovered America" when there were people already here.
Rosenberg has no place to speak on whats "real" when the people who he may not agree with and are not immersed with, waking up every day to feel otherwise. It's that typical arrogance that sickens folks.
Hussein Fonzarelli
The Whitey Corp.
I agree with this. Who the fukk is he to say "none of that fake shyt".
What's fake? It's not like there's a factory makin stamped sealed and approved hip-hop that Nicki Minaj is counterfeiting n outsourcing in China and importing for cheap in US.
I hate that elitist attitude.
The hip-hop Rosenberg likes is real to him. Projecting your taste and preference on others is just...
It's hip-hop.
That's right, I found the right term.
That's so hip-hop.
up in here
Superstar
hip-hop is a Black art form, created by Blacks for Blacks, but that doesn't mean we dont acknowledge or accept non-Blacks who have a sincere love for the music.
rosenberg obviously loves hip-hop and has emersed himself in it. some of his views are outdated and he has an obvious bias towards a particular brand/style of hip-hop.
"starships" is not a hip-hop song by any stretch. rosenberg has every right to call "starships" garbage if he doesn't like it. thats his opinion. its not racist for him to call the song bullshyt. and you have every right to disagree with him if you like the song. his word is not law, but he is entitled to his opinion.
and yall need to quit with all this race shyt, its not only whites saying "starships" is trash, alot of folks think that song is bullshyt. and rosenberg praised lauryn hill for her performance at summerjam, he is not trying to destroy Black women. also, lets not forget just a couple of months ago he called machine gun kelly fake to his face in an interview and nearly made the kid cry.
rosenberg obviously loves hip-hop and has emersed himself in it. some of his views are outdated and he has an obvious bias towards a particular brand/style of hip-hop.
"starships" is not a hip-hop song by any stretch. rosenberg has every right to call "starships" garbage if he doesn't like it. thats his opinion. its not racist for him to call the song bullshyt. and you have every right to disagree with him if you like the song. his word is not law, but he is entitled to his opinion.
and yall need to quit with all this race shyt, its not only whites saying "starships" is trash, alot of folks think that song is bullshyt. and rosenberg praised lauryn hill for her performance at summerjam, he is not trying to destroy Black women. also, lets not forget just a couple of months ago he called machine gun kelly fake to his face in an interview and nearly made the kid cry.
i agree with dude who said everyone is a sellout to some extent. and there's nothing wrong with that although one nuance i'd like to add is that it's not really about selling music or not. i think the minute you start to think about what other people would enjoy (mainstream, radio, label or even core fans) the minute you let that influence your craft and product, that's the minute you are technically selling out (and there's nothing wrong with that). musicians are both artists and entertainers. if they were strictly artists, their goal would be strictly to create stuff and express something. if they were strictly entertainers, they would be complete servants of the public and do what it takes to entertain them (which ironically is also an art in itself). but i think rappers (and musicians in general) all fall somewhere between the two so they are all somewhat sellouts which is totally fine. everyone has to compromise at some point.
the problem that you also have to have a limit on your compromise. you have to keep some of your soul. if you're doing a song you HATE because it will sell then you're an ultimate sellout. you sold your soul. but if you're sticking to a specific type of song because your hardcore fans will LOVE it eventhough you're sick and tired of it, then guess what, you still sold your soul. it's just funny how you get more props for the latter...
what makes someone an ultimate sellout is very personal. it's about what they feel, about their values and integrity. everone has their own limit.
the problem that you also have to have a limit on your compromise. you have to keep some of your soul. if you're doing a song you HATE because it will sell then you're an ultimate sellout. you sold your soul. but if you're sticking to a specific type of song because your hardcore fans will LOVE it eventhough you're sick and tired of it, then guess what, you still sold your soul. it's just funny how you get more props for the latter...
what makes someone an ultimate sellout is very personal. it's about what they feel, about their values and integrity. everone has their own limit.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
First of all, did Nicki even say she was going to play it? No one called him racist for that. He's called arrogant and an hypocrite for standing on his moral soap box of "real hip hop" while
1. He's not of it. He decides what to absorb from the culture...the culture doesn't dictate his everyday reality like those who live in it.
2. he works for an outfit that goes against his very stance.
3. there's a wealth of wack MC's he could have chosen to call it. Most regular niqqas feel its some sucka shyt to go after the weakest of the weak. A female? What part of the game is that?
4. Who the fukk goes to Summer Jam for some backpacker hip hop he's advocating for in the first place? It's fukkin Summer Jam...a mainstream event.
That's the issue here.
Notice how none of it is defending Nicki's music?
I don't give a fukk how immersed Rosenberg is in it or how many KRS1 stories that were handed down to him that he can recite, it's always some cherry picking outsider who feels that since they have years of listening to the music under their belt that they can be an authority on it.
Nahhhh....the authorities on it involuntarily wake up and sleep to it every day, even if you don't like what they produce and come up with. And that's the problem with many of you pigheaded niqqas in here. Yall don't let the folks mired in it live.