Nicki Minaj, Hot 97 & hypocrisy in Hip Hop

[wolfpoppa]

With what Hip Hop has become in the pop arena... I don't see Nicki sticking out that much from the rest, other than the fact the she's a female in an extremely male dominated genre. Maybe Starships is not Hip Hop, but this most of this other pop rap doesn't sound much like the hip hop I love either.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I respect Rosenberg a lot but I'm too old to pull the "real hip hop" card, b. Seriously, that shyt is played out. I remember saying that shyt in high school and loving the leers I'd get, while secretly hoping a Nubian queen with locks would appear out of nowhere and say "you're right, 50 Cent is wack. Let's go listen to Talib Kweli while I suck your dikk."

Now I'm an old ass 25 year old black man. Hip hop has always had semblances of pop, let's not get it twisted. There is no such thing as real hip hop or fake hip hop, it's all about demographics and what you like. I don't expect a 13 year old girl to like Mobb Deep anymore than I'd expect a rugged dude to be bumping Starships. If a girl listens to Nicki and then decides to look for some harder shyt, more power to her.

I think Super Bass is one of the catchiest pop songs I've heard in years. It's pop rap, it's hip hop/rap...but it's also a pop record. I'm cool with that shyt; it's a well done catchy song. My little cousins love that shyt and when I gotta drive them around I'd rather listen to that shyt than Soulja Boy, for instance. At the end of the day I know I'm a real nikka who listens to dope shyt, Nicki don't threaten me.

 

[wolfpoppa]

I respect Rosenberg a lot but I'm too old to pull the "real hip hop" card, b. Seriously, that shyt is played out. I remember saying that shyt in high school and loving the leers I'd get, while secretly hoping a Nubian queen with locks would appear out of nowhere and say "you're right, 50 Cent is wack. Let's go listen to Talib Kweli while I suck your dikk."

Now I'm an old ass 25 year old black man. Hip hop has always had semblances of pop, let's not get it twisted. There is no such thing as real hip hop or fake hip hop, it's all about demographics and what you like. I don't expect a 13 year old girl to like Mobb Deep anymore than I'd expect a rugged dude to be bumping Starships. If a girl listens to Nicki and then decides to look for some harder shyt, more power to her.

I think Super Bass is one of the catchiest pop songs I've heard in years. It's pop rap, it's hip hop/rap...but it's also a pop record. I'm cool with that shyt; it's a well done catchy song. My little cousins love that shyt and when I gotta drive them around I'd rather listen to that shyt than Soulja Boy, for instance. At the end of the day I know I'm a real nikka who listens to dope shyt, Nicki don't threaten me.

Pretty much.

 

[Dead End]

Garbage article. Framing rejecting bullshyt pop that masquerades as hip-hop in free market terms? gtfoh. Also, about time people started talking about how crap a lot this woman's music is. She's massively overrated.

 

[Rack4K]

This is dangerous racism if you apply this to other areas...

Finally someone gets it.

All you need is a history book to know what could go wrong when whites use 'similar' logic...

 

[Akuma]

ROSENBERG = reverse mind screwed NICKI into not performing by subliminally dissing her gay fans.
&
CIPHA SOUNDS = never embraced NICKI because they are still loyal to LIL KIM.

FUNK FLEX & E-BRO = fukked LIL KIM for radio airplay, had to tolerate NICKI for corporate reasons.
BIRDMAN = promised to hold LIL KIM Cash Money recordings until LIL KIM got out of her previous contract. Gave them to NICKI to jump start her career.
NICKI MINAJ = jumped into bed with all LIL KIM ex associates in order to get signed faster.
SHANELL = wrote NICKI her first album in the absence of WAYNE.
ANGIE = has beef with FOXY over baby daddy gossip, NICKI now looks up to FOXY like a cool aunt.

IS YMCMB going to rent out the GIANTS or RED BULL concert in order to revenge HOT97?
If they do will it come out of NICKI paycheck?

 

[Grano-Grano]

Starships as obviously a pop song....

But lets talk about whats been allowed to happen to urban music...


I have an issue with the messenger more than the message...

Peter Rosenberg is no more hip hop than Nicki...Infact he should ALWAYS be viewed as an outsider from people that truely care about the culture..

Hip hop was formed on 3 major concepts or principles that people keep trying to ignore..

1-It's an art form created for and by the youth..

2-It's an art form created for and by innercity/urban/street kids..

3-It's an art form created for an by Blacks and Latinos (minorities)

By those standards of the purity and origin of "real hip hop" Rosenberg is 0 for 3..He's a 36 year old, white guy, from the suburbs (an outsider)...He can be the worlds biggest fan but he's still and outsider.. All of the Wu-Tang bumper stickers and crates of vinyl will never change that..

He can have an opinion.. But when you're such an outsider, it's arrogant to pretend that you have a role as a lieutenant or a shot caller in the culture..He carries himself like a boss, when in reality he's just a super fan.. His opinion shouldnt be considered as highly as some 19 year old black kid from Camden..

He's 0 for 3... His whole existence is the antithesis of what the culture was intended to be...

There should be a hiearchy to things...Im not saying you have to be all three to be involved in the culture (young, minority, from the hood) but people that are none of the above should pretty much be ignored imo..

I don't wanna hear old men dictating what the culture should be (and I'm older myself) because it's always evolving and just because it was a certain way when you were younger doesnt mean that its etched in stone..

It bothers me when people from the suburbs in middle America criticized young ghetto kids in Bankhead for Laffy Taffy or snap music..When that was THEIR expression of a culture that was theirs by birthright and circumstance..

And it goes without sayin that I feel how most white folks (there are exceptions) should keep their mouths closed about Black culture...

U gotta earn stripes.. And even when you do, you should keep your mouth closed when grown folks (insiders) are talking...

Somebody give this man a fukking grammy

 

[Grano-Grano]

Selling an album and selling out are two different things!

Yall either so young or dumb that you don't know what selling out is anymore.

When you make a song that goes against what you stand for....you have sold out! When you go against what your audience stands for you have sold out.

I guess we need to define hip hop? Or redefine it?

What many miss is that when hip hop was actually progressing, a lot of the elders of the music along with the community defined what hip hop was. Just like when a company or gang is formed, in the beginning the rules are loose, but eventually with growth rules and expectations are laid down to keep the organization integrity.

Leave Somalia out this convo you bytch ass nikka

Hip hop was defined in the 90's when we still had a lil structure and direction. Yeah before that it was just about anything goes except biting.

We let our business collapse and we basically have Somalia style government going on. Every lil warlord running around calling their own shot. It's the reason you have Somalia...and then you have America! Our government is the reason america is so great. We are organized.

Hip hop fell apart because we let the youth effectively destroy the structure. That was done with some of the same arguments some of you using: stop hating, I can like what I want, fukk elitists, fukk old dusty nikkas, etc.

The reason cac's kick our ass is because they structure their shyt! While we go somalian and want helter skelter.

LEAVE SOMALIA OUT THIS CONVO