Newsom vs Deathsantis shadow debate; Thursday, Nov 30th

Bleed The Freak

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This debate didn't help either person.

DeSantis didn't do bad, and kinda was better to me on the immigration topic (not that DeSantis was good) and on people leaving Cali for Florida than Newsom, but who wants a no charisma Diet Trump when you can have the real thing? Newsom did properly shyt on him for abortion.

Newsom has confirmed my belief that I don't want him as the 2028 nominee. He was unable to answer questions on some of the liberal policies that aren't really popular, and I've felt for a while that he comes off as a limousine liberal that doesn't have appeal needed to win in the midwestern states.

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You can send Gavin to the Midwest states and it will end up as a total disaster as nominee.

He completely looks like a West Coast liberal and it's going to be absolutely a disaster.

Call me a hater or whatever. Call Whitmer.

And yes he is talented. But he SCREAMS coastal elite
 
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no, it isn't. because you can't juelz your way out of the middle class fleeing california's awful taxes :dead: democrats lie, republicans lie, numbers don't

Numbers? We've already had the numbers discussion on California taxes for middle-class taxpayers, idiot.

The study I linked to you three times already says that there's 38 states with higher effective tax rates than California for the median taxpayer, though they shift to slightly above average when cost of living is factored in. You really never read jack shyt, do you?

Taxes by State​


Overall Rank
(1=Lowest)
StateEffective Total State & Local Tax Rates on Median U.S. Household*Annual State & Local Taxes on Median U.S. Household*% Difference Between State & U.S. Avg.**Annual State & Local Taxes on Median State Household***Adjusted Overall Rank (based on Cost of Living Index)
1Alaska6.05%$4,204-43.82%$4,8704
2Delaware6.34%$4,405-41.14%$4,7071
3Montana7.12%$4,948-33.88%$4,7732
4Nevada7.79%$5,414-27.64%$5,63610
5Wyoming8.06%$5,604-25.10%$5,5119
6Florida8.21%$5,706-23.74%$5,3556
7Utah8.23%$5,719-23.57%$6,8878
8Idaho8.29%$5,765-22.96%$5,5455
9Colorado8.53%$5,930-20.75%$7,38313
10Tennessee8.58%$5,965-20.29%$4,9643
11Oregon8.91%$6,192-17.25%$7,32922
12California8.97%$6,238-16.64%$9,61232
13South Carolina9.07%$6,304-15.75%$5,28811
14Alabama9.12%$6,341-15.26%$4,9247
15District of Columbia9.13%$6,343-15.23%$10,35746
16Arizona9.39%$6,529-12.75%$6,45214
17West Virginia9.72%$6,758-9.69%$4,78012
18New Hampshire9.90%$6,879-8.06%$8,06131
19North Dakota10.16%$7,064-5.60%$6,65225
20North Carolina10.51%$7,307-2.35%$6,30216
21Georgia10.55%$7,335-1.98%$6,69215
22New Mexico10.59%$7,361-1.63%$5,69821
23Virginia10.69%$7,433-0.66%$8,57824
24Hawaii10.70%$7,440-0.57%$10,45650
25Louisiana10.75%$7,469-0.18%$5,71019
26Massachusetts10.86%$7,5510.92%$10,87043
27South Dakota11.01%$7,6562.31%$6,59726
28Rhode Island11.24%$7,8164.45%$8,84244
29Arkansas11.30%$7,8524.93%$5,71218
30Missouri11.30%$7,8554.97%$6,57817
31Minnesota11.31%$7,8595.03%$8,51130
32Oklahoma11.51%$8,0026.94%$6,15423
33Maryland11.52%$8,0066.99%$10,72945
34Maine11.62%$8,0757.91%$7,28939
35Indiana11.76%$8,1739.23%$6,85128
36Vermont11.77%$8,1839.36%$8,06042
37Mississippi11.93%$8,29010.79%$5,83420
38Washington11.97%$8,32311.22%$10,91540
39Michigan12.15%$8,44912.91%$6,96527
40Kentucky12.50%$8,68716.09%$6,69829
41Texas12.73%$8,84618.21%$8,00634
42Wisconsin12.95%$9,00420.32%$8,08935
43New Jersey12.98%$9,02320.58%$12,65248
44Nebraska13.15%$9,14222.17%$7,78637
45Ohio13.20%$9,17822.66%$7,30633
46Iowa13.31%$9,24823.60%$7,64536
47Kansas13.57%$9,43326.06%$7,91938
48Pennsylvania13.92%$9,67529.30%$8,82041
49New York14.23%$9,89432.22%$12,04749
50Connecticut14.80%$10,28737.47%$12,12051
51Illinois15.05%$10,46339.83%$9,98747






Why would taxes explain the exodus when middle-class Californians got a huge tax rebate last year and California hasn't increased taxes on the middle class in more than a decade? Every person I've heard of leaving California cited either distaste for liberalism, cheaper property elsewhere, or more flexibility due to work from home.

You lie about this topic over and over, you know literally nothing about anything you talk about and you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
 

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wait a second, i was just kidding. this actually happened? desantis actually brought a san francisco shyt map to the debate? :laff:

 

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Numbers? We've already had the numbers discussion on California taxes for middle-class taxpayers, idiot.

The study I linked to you three times already says that there's 38 states with higher effective tax rates than California for the median taxpayer, though they shift to slightly above average when cost of living is factored in. You really never read jack shyt, do you?

Taxes by State​


Overall Rank
(1=Lowest)
StateEffective Total State & Local Tax Rates on Median U.S. Household*Annual State & Local Taxes on Median U.S. Household*% Difference Between State & U.S. Avg.**Annual State & Local Taxes on Median State Household***Adjusted Overall Rank (based on Cost of Living Index)
1Alaska6.05%$4,204-43.82%$4,8704
2Delaware6.34%$4,405-41.14%$4,7071
3Montana7.12%$4,948-33.88%$4,7732
4Nevada7.79%$5,414-27.64%$5,63610
5Wyoming8.06%$5,604-25.10%$5,5119
6Florida8.21%$5,706-23.74%$5,3556
7Utah8.23%$5,719-23.57%$6,8878
8Idaho8.29%$5,765-22.96%$5,5455
9Colorado8.53%$5,930-20.75%$7,38313
10Tennessee8.58%$5,965-20.29%$4,9643
11Oregon8.91%$6,192-17.25%$7,32922
12California8.97%$6,238-16.64%$9,61232
13South Carolina9.07%$6,304-15.75%$5,28811
14Alabama9.12%$6,341-15.26%$4,9247
15District of Columbia9.13%$6,343-15.23%$10,35746
16Arizona9.39%$6,529-12.75%$6,45214
17West Virginia9.72%$6,758-9.69%$4,78012
18New Hampshire9.90%$6,879-8.06%$8,06131
19North Dakota10.16%$7,064-5.60%$6,65225
20North Carolina10.51%$7,307-2.35%$6,30216
21Georgia10.55%$7,335-1.98%$6,69215
22New Mexico10.59%$7,361-1.63%$5,69821
23Virginia10.69%$7,433-0.66%$8,57824
24Hawaii10.70%$7,440-0.57%$10,45650
25Louisiana10.75%$7,469-0.18%$5,71019
26Massachusetts10.86%$7,5510.92%$10,87043
27South Dakota11.01%$7,6562.31%$6,59726
28Rhode Island11.24%$7,8164.45%$8,84244
29Arkansas11.30%$7,8524.93%$5,71218
30Missouri11.30%$7,8554.97%$6,57817
31Minnesota11.31%$7,8595.03%$8,51130
32Oklahoma11.51%$8,0026.94%$6,15423
33Maryland11.52%$8,0066.99%$10,72945
34Maine11.62%$8,0757.91%$7,28939
35Indiana11.76%$8,1739.23%$6,85128
36Vermont11.77%$8,1839.36%$8,06042
37Mississippi11.93%$8,29010.79%$5,83420
38Washington11.97%$8,32311.22%$10,91540
39Michigan12.15%$8,44912.91%$6,96527
40Kentucky12.50%$8,68716.09%$6,69829
41Texas12.73%$8,84618.21%$8,00634
42Wisconsin12.95%$9,00420.32%$8,08935
43New Jersey12.98%$9,02320.58%$12,65248
44Nebraska13.15%$9,14222.17%$7,78637
45Ohio13.20%$9,17822.66%$7,30633
46Iowa13.31%$9,24823.60%$7,64536
47Kansas13.57%$9,43326.06%$7,91938
48Pennsylvania13.92%$9,67529.30%$8,82041
49New York14.23%$9,89432.22%$12,04749
50Connecticut14.80%$10,28737.47%$12,12051
51Illinois15.05%$10,46339.83%$9,98747






Why would taxes explain the exodus when middle-class Californians got a huge tax rebate last year and California hasn't increased taxes on the middle class in more than a decade? Every person I've heard of leaving California cited either distaste for liberalism, cheaper property elsewhere, or more flexibility due to work from home.

You lie about this topic over and over, you know literally nothing about anything you talk about and you're incapable of admitting you're wrong.
breh, you're one of the least objective, worst democrat shills on the board. you couldn't physically fix your mouth to criticize newsom from the right if i paid you a million dollars :mjlol:
 

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no, it isn't. because you can't juelz your way out of the middle class fleeing california's awful taxes :dead: democrats lie, republicans lie, numbers don't

You went from
what's a pro-dem response?
to
what about shyt on the street?
to
middle class fleeing taxes?

All on the same question. You be kicking the shyt out of the goalposts. :scusthov:
 
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