Newsom vs Deathsantis shadow debate; Thursday, Nov 30th

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I have never seen someone shyt on the street in California. Literally never. And personally, I don't give a shyt about higher gas prices, not only do I not drive enough for that to impact me, but personally I think we have to wean off of gas before we destroy the world.

Of course, actual Democratic policy has nothing to do with this and is still pretty much drill baby drill, but we've all seen you deflect continuously when it comes to Dem oil policy too.

Dems need to ease up on attacking oil tho…it’s a bit shortsighted. It’s still a key element in all aspects of manufacturing, not just …gasoline. It seems shortsighted and doesn’t allow for more nuance on the topic.

Plus, EV’s have plateaued in the market and manufacturers are struggling to move them

 

[the cac mamba]

And personally, I don't give a shyt about higher gas prices, not only do I not drive enough for that to impact me, but personally I think we have to wean off of gas before we destroy the world.

and you had the audacity to try to call me out about nevada

how do california's highest in the nation gas prices affect the poor people that you pretend to care about? how about your sales tax?

you're a disgrace

 

[the cac mamba]

Dems need to ease up on attacking oil tho…it’s a bit shortsighted. It’s still a key element in all aspects of manufacturing, not just …gasoline. It seems shortsighted and doesn’t allow for more nuance on the topic.

Plus, EV’s have plateaued in the market and manufacturers are struggling to move them

how the fukk do you even own an EV if you live in an apartment?

 

[Pressure]

how the fukk do you even own an EV if you live in an apartment?

They all have charging spaces. Well unless you’re poor and then you’re probably not buying a 60k+ car

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Good lord

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[the cac mamba]

i finally got to watch all the clips. clearly not a winner anywhere near this thing

 

[Pressure]

Good lord

HL allstars gonna avoid this

 

[The G.O.D II]

Who is running DeSantis campaign for fukks sake? What do you even gain from debating Newsome?

 

[Pressure]

Who is running DeSantis campaign for fukks sake? What do you even gain from debating Newsome?

This debate didn’t hurt desantis with his core base.

Losing to Trump doesn’t hurt him with his core base.

The fact that so called liberal people are criticizing Newsome for being a coastal elite when Desantis is a Yale and Harvard grab pumping his chest out about being destination for coastal elites tells you all you need to know .

American politics aren’t serious though. Biden has been the most progressive president since FDR and tech bros and lobbyists in this site are saying they aren’t voting for him because he didn’t pull all US aid from Israel

 

[morris]

DeSantis not ready for primetime

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Man’s had them heel boots on and still was shorter than Newsome

“I’ll take Biden at 100 than Ron DeSantis at any age”

 

[morris]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

and you had the audacity to try to call me out about nevada

how do california's highest in the nation gas prices affect the poor people that you pretend to care about?

Marginally. The average working-class person ($30k-40k) spends $142 a month on gas. California's gas prices are 17% higher than Nevada's. So if California magically lowered their gas prices to Nevada averages, that would give the average working class person another $250 a year, or $20 spending money a month. That's the horrific crisis you're bytching about.

Meanwhile, the state tax rebate from last year that I've repeatedly mentioned to you, and you don't give a shyt about, was up to $1,050 for low-income residents, or FOUR TIMES what they would lose in the difference in gas prices. Even the lowest rebates were still $200.

Gas prices have huge visibility because they're posted in giant letters everywhere, and they're especially annoying because the average out-of-gas citizen has fewer options to avoid gas than they typically do when buying other goods. It's not like a house/car/TV where you can wait to buy until later, or food where you can choose a different option. That gives gas prices a lot of psychological weight. But in terms of actual impact, no, variations in gas prices between nearby states do not have a meaningful impact on poverty.

how about your sales tax?

I don't like sales taxes in general unless it's carefully targeted and includes rebates.

You don't live in California. So why do you think you know so much about the burden of California taxes?

I've posted this chart for you three times now, and every time you just deflect. California taxes are high for the rich, not for the poor or middle class, and they pay for far better health care and education than the low-tax states are providing. Where's the lie?

Taxes by State​

Overall Rank (1=Lowest)	State	Effective Total State & Local Tax Rates on Median U.S. Household*	Annual State & Local Taxes on Median U.S. Household*	% Difference Between State & U.S. Avg.**	Annual State & Local Taxes on Median State Household***	Adjusted Overall Rank (based on Cost of Living Index)
1	Alaska	6.05%	$4,204	-43.82%	$4,870	4
2	Delaware	6.34%	$4,405	-41.14%	$4,707	1
3	Montana	7.12%	$4,948	-33.88%	$4,773	2
4	Nevada	7.79%	$5,414	-27.64%	$5,636	10
5	Wyoming	8.06%	$5,604	-25.10%	$5,511	9
6	Florida	8.21%	$5,706	-23.74%	$5,355	6
7	Utah	8.23%	$5,719	-23.57%	$6,887	8
8	Idaho	8.29%	$5,765	-22.96%	$5,545	5
9	Colorado	8.53%	$5,930	-20.75%	$7,383	13
10	Tennessee	8.58%	$5,965	-20.29%	$4,964	3
11	Oregon	8.91%	$6,192	-17.25%	$7,329	22
12	California	8.97%	$6,238	-16.64%	$9,612	32
13	South Carolina	9.07%	$6,304	-15.75%	$5,288	11
14	Alabama	9.12%	$6,341	-15.26%	$4,924	7
15	District of Columbia	9.13%	$6,343	-15.23%	$10,357	46
16	Arizona	9.39%	$6,529	-12.75%	$6,452	14
17	West Virginia	9.72%	$6,758	-9.69%	$4,780	12
18	New Hampshire	9.90%	$6,879	-8.06%	$8,061	31
19	North Dakota	10.16%	$7,064	-5.60%	$6,652	25
20	North Carolina	10.51%	$7,307	-2.35%	$6,302	16
21	Georgia	10.55%	$7,335	-1.98%	$6,692	15
22	New Mexico	10.59%	$7,361	-1.63%	$5,698	21
23	Virginia	10.69%	$7,433	-0.66%	$8,578	24
24	Hawaii	10.70%	$7,440	-0.57%	$10,456	50
25	Louisiana	10.75%	$7,469	-0.18%	$5,710	19
26	Massachusetts	10.86%	$7,551	0.92%	$10,870	43
27	South Dakota	11.01%	$7,656	2.31%	$6,597	26
28	Rhode Island	11.24%	$7,816	4.45%	$8,842	44
29	Arkansas	11.30%	$7,852	4.93%	$5,712	18
30	Missouri	11.30%	$7,855	4.97%	$6,578	17
31	Minnesota	11.31%	$7,859	5.03%	$8,511	30
32	Oklahoma	11.51%	$8,002	6.94%	$6,154	23
33	Maryland	11.52%	$8,006	6.99%	$10,729	45
34	Maine	11.62%	$8,075	7.91%	$7,289	39
35	Indiana	11.76%	$8,173	9.23%	$6,851	28
36	Vermont	11.77%	$8,183	9.36%	$8,060	42
37	Mississippi	11.93%	$8,290	10.79%	$5,834	20
38	Washington	11.97%	$8,323	11.22%	$10,915	40
39	Michigan	12.15%	$8,449	12.91%	$6,965	27
40	Kentucky	12.50%	$8,687	16.09%	$6,698	29
41	Texas	12.73%	$8,846	18.21%	$8,006	34
42	Wisconsin	12.95%	$9,004	20.32%	$8,089	35
43	New Jersey	12.98%	$9,023	20.58%	$12,652	48
44	Nebraska	13.15%	$9,142	22.17%	$7,786	37
45	Ohio	13.20%	$9,178	22.66%	$7,306	33
46	Iowa	13.31%	$9,248	23.60%	$7,645	36
47	Kansas	13.57%	$9,433	26.06%	$7,919	38
48	Pennsylvania	13.92%	$9,675	29.30%	$8,820	41
49	New York	14.23%	$9,894	32.22%	$12,047	49
50	Connecticut	14.80%	$10,287	37.47%	$12,120	51
51	Illinois	15.05%	$10,463	39.83%	$9,987	47

 

[Bleed The Freak]

DeSantis not ready for primetime

The worst there was. This worst there is. The worst there ever will be.