There are a lot of guys with potential but land in bad situations.
NBA Contemplating Eliminating The Draft Lottery: Check Out The Possible Replacement
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While, you need a cornerstone to win a title more than not, if you have great management as well as great coaching, a lot of answered for you.
The Wizards landed a no brainer in Wall as did the Pelicans with Davis. Those teams are not no where close to their potential.
That's my point!!!
If you give teams that know what they are doing a shot at top players you do each of the following:
A) give players with potential a shot to go to good situations
B) remove the motivation to tank
C) get rid of bad GMs who are banking on the lottery rather than actually doing their job
D) raise the level of play league wide
Reid2Achieve
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Fact is that there will only be a few surefire superstar franchise players every era. For most teams they are better off trying to develop their own stars like Indiana or Portland, or trading for that star piece that completes their team and go from there.
I think treadmill teams are further along the curve because at least they clearly have talent. All it takes is a few successful swings for pieces that fit or to draft and develop them from within. A lot of those treadmill teams need better coaching and development. Mike Malone? Mike Brown?
Of course you need great management. Under the current system having a great player doesn't preclude you from putting great managment in place. Having great management and overachieving and not being a bottom feeder pretty much precludes you from getting a great player.
Then you take away the option for those teams in bad situations to get better. I know that out of all of the terrible teams, I would not want to be drafted by the Kings. No future with that squad. A lot of bad pieces. Have marginalize Cousins as well as McLemore. Trading for Gay was a mistake.
I really don't see a problem, like I said, if teams want to win and just be average, that's on them. The Hawks are 29th in attendance for reason. No one believes in them. No one that they want to watch.
Ronnie Lott
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Fact is that there will only be a few surefire superstar franchise players every era. For most teams they are better off trying to develop their own stars like Indiana or Portland, or trading for that star piece that completes their team and go from there.
I think treadmill teams are further along the curve because at least they clearly have talent. All it takes is a few successful swings for pieces that fit or to draft and develop them from within. A lot of those treadmill teams need better coaching and development. Mike Malone? Mike Brown?
The Kings and Cavs are treadmill teams?
The Kings and Cavs have sucked for years due to bad decision after bad decision and don't look to be improving any time soon. Yet they are gonna have yet another shot at yet another potential franchise player. I say stop rewarding them and reward the teams that are actually out here making moves (PHX, BOS, DEN).Not true. The Suns were expected to suck this year and look at what they are doing. Denver was supposed to die after Melo left and look at them. You can be an okay or even good team without talent. Strong management and good decision making can make pretty much any team average. If you suck it's because you aren't trying or you aren't good.
Would the Hawks be any higher in attendance if they completely sucked? To have a team overachieving like that and not have fans supporting them is a poor reflection on the fans, not what the team is doing. What do you want them to do, just not try?
Agreed, most treadmill teams are treadmillers for a reason. The Hawks drafted Marvin, Shelden and Chillz over Iggy, CP3, Roy, and Deron.Fact is that there will only be a few surefire superstar franchise players every era. For most teams they are better off trying to develop their own stars like Indiana or Portland, or trading for that star piece that completes their team and go from there.
I think treadmill teams are further along the curve because at least they clearly have talent. All it takes is a few successful swings for pieces that fit or to draft and develop them from within. A lot of those treadmill teams need better coaching and development. Mike Malone? Mike Brown?
The Wizards drafted a ton of bums and only hit on obvious selections.
The only treadmill team who is oddly on the treadmill is the Nuggets. They did the right things. Made the right trades and picks but just needed that one top tier scorer. What they are missing is basically Melo. If they can land Randle, they would be right be at the top.
Most teams with great management and coaching are now doing it right or are on the path.
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Isn't this a problem in every sport with a draft system. It could be like Euro soccer but then you would get teams with worse attendance than the Hawks in 80% of the league.
Reid2Achieve
Superstar
Well...yeah. They have been stuck in place for years. As proof that getting top picks every year don't mean shyt...The Kings and Cavs are treadmill teams?
The Suns upgraded their talent and health was a key issue for them last year.Not true. The Suns were expected to suck this year and look at what they are doing. Denver was supposed to die after Melo left and look at them. You can be an okay or even good team without talent. Strong management and good decision making can make pretty much any team average. If you suck it's because you aren't trying or you aren't good.
Would the Hawks be any higher in attendance if they completely sucked? To have a team overachieving like that and not have fans supporting them is a poor reflection on the fans, not what the team is doing. What do you want them to do, just not try?
Most of the teams in the NBA that are in the lottery right now aren't tanking.
Milwaukee is not tanking. They spent money on depth and got rid of players who were negative via stats like Monta and Jennings. Most NBA pundits felt they improved.
Utah is rebuilding but it was about time. They spent the last three years hovering around the 8th seed.
Sacramento is poorly managed but they aren't tanking. They finally got their ownership right.
Philadelphia is clearly tanking. It's a joke. They got good management and coaching now but they don't want to win. MCW getting sat out for so long is a prime example. They should be fined like SA was last year.
New York and Brooklyn clearly aren't tanking. NY made a bad trade, shooters for Bargs and it's killed them. Brooklyn traded their average youth for over the hill finished future HOF's and killed their team now. Not to mention Deron gets hurt all the time and Lopez is out for the year.
Cleveland is a joke. They are far from tanking, they just have terrible management and coaching and can't develop none of their players. Another bad situation.
The Lakers are whatever. The Wolves are in the West. The Pelicans are poorly coached. Memphis lost Gasol and GS had some injuries.
Now the playoffs teams in the East aren't good outside of the top 2.
Hawks are average but plays good Basketball.
Bobcats are below average but plays solid ball.
Chicago lost Rose but have been dealing with injuries.
Boston has great coaching and management is needs Rondo back
Det is poorly coached and management. One of the most talented teams in the East.
Washington.. see Det.
No. Management, development, and coaching >>> superstar in those sports. Beyond that you don't have to have a top 3 pick to get a GOAT caliber player. Montana was 4th rounder, Rice was drafted in the middle of the first, TO in the 3rd, Moss was drafted late in the 1st, Brady was a 6th rounder, Ray Lewis was taken late in the 1st. The list goes on. In the NBA you pretty much know who the stars are gonna be before the draft and they are 99% of the time their are going in the lottery.
Not really, if the Hawks sucked, attendance will be about the same. In fact, in our 13 win season, we had higher attendance than now. But you do have to take into account the economy is so much worse. A lot of people can't afford to go to games unless it's really worth it.Not true. The Suns were expected to suck this year and look at what they are doing. Denver was supposed to die after Melo left and look at them. You can be an okay or even good team without talent. Strong management and good decision making can make pretty much any team average. If you suck it's because you aren't trying or you aren't good.
Would the Hawks be any higher in attendance if they completely sucked? To have a team overachieving like that and not have fans supporting them is a poor reflection on the fans, not what the team is doing. What do you want them to do, just not try?
The Hawks issue is simple. Superstar town for Basketball. Their are more Heat and Laker fans than Hawks fans. If they were as good as Indy, they would sell a lot of tickets still. Atlanta loves winners as well but hate frauds even more than pure losers.
You need coaching, management, and development in Basketball as well. Look at teams with a superstar like the Knicks, Nets, Heat when it was just Wade and Shaq, T-Mac in Orlando, MJ in Chicago in his first couple of years as well. Of course, you have superstars who are transcendent like Lebron and Kareem but Football has them as well with Peyton and Tom.
I don't agree with that statement completely but what I do agree with is Football is clearly more of a team sport as one player can't play both offense and defense like in the NBA.