Morocco just made history at the World Cup - do you consider them as Africans or Arab?

[ChatGPT-5]

Why do you people keep focusing on African. Theyre are African and we all accept that because they reside in the African continent and represent Africa in the world cup. They can call themselves african But they’re not black African which is what matters here.

AGAIN. for the 4th time now. where did I call them sub saharan?

I would never call a brown cambodian, yellow hans chinese, and I'd never call a dark haired wide nose greek, nordic. i'd also never call a berber, sub saharan, thats just stupid. but they are african. they are above the sahara. in africa's mediterranean region. i know shocking, the continent has diverse regions with the most diverse people on the planet.

 

[3rdWorld]

AGAIN. for the 4th time now. where did I call them sub saharan?

I would never call a brown cambodian, yellow hans chinese, and I'd never call a dark haired wide nose greek, nordic. i'd also never call a berber, sub saharan, thats just stupid. but they are african. they are above the sahara. in africa's mediterranean region. i know shocking, the continent has diverse regions with the most diverse people on the planet.

The Arabs that occupy North Africa arrived in the region as foreigners, and displaced the Africans there through genocide guided by the Koran and Islam.

Arabs are not indigenous to Africa.

 

[Jeshaman]

Over here in Nigeria, most people are happy for Morocco. I actually hadn't given their identity much thought before all this. I just saw them as North africans. We have some Tuareg Berber groups in Niger that made their way down and they are definitely not Arab.

That said, a lot of people are going to be supporting France no doubt. When it comes down to it some people just don't see them as Africans and relate more to the likes of Tchoameni and Mbappe.

Enough of the rambling, I know a few and they see themselves as Berber Africans and Arabs.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

The Arabs that occupy North Africa arrived in the region as foreigners, and displaced the Africans there through genocide guided by the Koran and Islam.

Arabs are not indigenous to Africa.

arabs aren't but the berbers had a massive history of war with them. in fact, libyans ( berbers)have been a nuisance to arabs for centuries, looong history. thats why people like Qaddafi were more pro african, the arabs did win at the end of the day and are bound by religion just like the horners. but make no mistake, berbers are NATIVE to africa unlike the arabs.

are their some mixed ones? of course. just like a bantu from Angola will look at steph curry and chris brown and say the same, but you are still african by descent despite the mixture. you can call yourself 'americanized' all you want, but we know.

 

[3rdWorld]

arabs aren't but the berbers had a massive history of war with them. in fact, libyans ( berbers)have been a nuisance to arabs for centuries, looong history. thats why people like Qaddafi were more pro african, the arabs did win at the end of the day and are bound by religion just like the horners. but make no mistake, berbers are NATIVE to africa unlike the arabs.

are their some mixed ones? of course. just like a bantu from Angola will look at steph curry and chris brown and say the same, but you are still african by descent despite the mixture. you can call yourself 'americanized' all you want, but we know.

The oldest Africans are pale skinned, and far from pitch Black like West Africans etc. Theyre called the Khoi San. I would expect an Angolan to be smarter than that and recognize a pale Khoi as a fellow Black man. The features are all Black minus the skin, and their hair is more tightly coiled than West Africans. You couldnt run an afro pick through their hair, its that solid.
Complexion means little there because Black skin comes in all shades of brown.
Most Africans wouldnt think Berbers are indigenous to Africa because they look Arabic.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

The oldest Africans are pale skinned, and far from pitch Black like West Africans etc. Theyre called the Khoi San. I would expect an Angolan to be smarter than that and recognize a pale Khoi as a fellow Black man. The features are all Black minus the skin, and their hair is more tightly coiled than West Africans. You couldnt run an afro pick through their hair, its that solid.
Complexion means little there because Black skin comes in all shades of brown.
Most Africans wouldnt think Berbers are indigenous to Africa because they look Arabic.

id also like to add, that blonde hair and nordics are also recent just like bantu and mende blacks (sub saharan). the first euros looked persian (aryan/iran). big hook nose, very hairy, dark eyes and hair. nordics are recent, just like sub saharans are recent.

this whole claim that 'black africans are the real africans, is liken to nordics saying they are the purest euros' absolutely ridiculous.

 

[LeaveMyHairLineAlone]

How would I know, I've never done a poll. I'm guessing both/and, not either/or. Why would North African identification and African identification be two separate things anyway?

 

[GoAggieGo.]

The country is in Africa. They are African. There are many different groups there?
Also, why would one be shocked that there are people on that continent rooting for them.

It’s both hilarious and sad when people come in these threads so arrogant, speaking on these topics, not being from that country and/or continent. It’s cringe when individuals from these places then come and try to correct them, but then the arrogant party then doubles down, refusing to appear wrong. So many people just can’t be wrong or accept the fact that maybe they should fall back.

 

[DamienWayne]

Why do you people keep focusing on African. Theyre are African and we all accept that because they reside in the African continent and represent Africa in the world cup. They can call themselves african But they’re not black African which is what matters here.

That was not the original question _it was are they African? The answer is yes

 

[3rdWorld]

its fukking weird how people can't grasp the concept. its almost like they are indoctrinated.

does a fukking filipino look korean? yet they are both asian. does a swedish person look sicilian? yet they are both european. do berbers, whom are african, look subsaharan? yet with the former they are not confused, but instantly become confused with the latter? how sway?

Them North African Arabs and all know they didn't originate in that region and only occupied it. They are aware of their history.
They're not 100% blood Africans

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Them North African Arabs and all know they didn't originate in that region and only occupied it. They are aware of their history.
They're not 100% blood Africans

The Arabs that occupy North Africa arrived in the region as foreigners, and displaced the Africans there through genocide guided by the Koran and Islam.

Arabs are not indigenous to Africa.

That would be moderately relevant if they were Arabs, which they're not.



I already posted the genetic study #'s just a few comments ago:

South Moroccan subgroup: 53% North African, 28% West/Central/East African, 11% Southern European, and 10% Arabian
Moroccan subgroup: 50% North African, 18% West/Central/East African, 13% Southern European, 14% Arabian, and 5% West Asian
North Moroccan subgroup: 51% North African, 18% Southern European, 13% Arabian, 8% West/Central/East African and 7% West Asian


People claiming that they're Arabian or that they genocided the North African population are just being ignorant.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's super interesting stuff, I'm still learning. But as a Somali, i'll never acknowledge or accept that Somalis come from arabs, I've also read that the somali language is also older than arabic, i'll send sources over once i get 'em. Either way one thing i do know for sure is that the African continent has largest amount of human genetic diversity and the origin of humanity, and that my people (somalis) have been around for a very long time and predate the modern arabs. Just because of our faith and different features people assume we're arabs, or are products of them.

I wasn't saying that Somalis "came from" Arabs. But the genetics suggest that Arabs were part of the mix. According to that study:

Ethiopian Somali: 38% Eastern African, 30% Arabian, 23% Omotic, 8% North African
Somali: 42% Eastern African, 30% Arabian, 19% Omotic, 9% North African


But don't think of that as "Somalis came from the Muslim invasion". I'm pretty sure that Arabian admixture has nothing to do with Islam, that comes from thousands of years earlier. Linguists see a movement of proto-semetic language into the horn of Africa in 800 BC, so a good 1500 years before Mohammed, I think the Arab admixture either comes from that event or comes from an event earlier time period. That would have predated the Arabic language but way postdated the Somali language which is indeed one of the oldest languages on Earth.

And I should point out that this is one of the best studies, but no study is perfect. This study didn't resolve the Cushytic genetic background in east Africa, but other studies have. So they say that right in the text, that there's likely a missing Cushytic element that wasn't shown in their tests, and there may be other elements as well. More studies will come up with more refined #'s. But this is among the best information to date.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There's not a single Zulu person celebrating those berbers, but when Ghana almost reached the semis all the black people were eastatic.

Theese are berbers not real Africans.

According to one of the people who dapped you, South Africa is a non-Black country so your opinion doesn't even count.


Obviously your claim that not a single Zulu is rooting for Morocco is false, but it doesn't even matter. No one is telling you who you have to root for. No one is saying "All Africans must root for all other Africans". Division in Africa is wild and in a different context I'd be hearing how much South Africans hate Nigerians and how they aren't accepted there blah blah blah. People can have whatever opinions they want, I just prefer they base them in reality.


The reality is that Moroccans are native Africans, no matter what your heart tells you. People claiming they're of non-African descent are objectively wrong. Anyone who claims that they are invaders, and not the victims of European conquest, are simply ignorant of history. If you don't want to root for them because they're not dark enough that's fine, but at least just admit that you base your preferences on skin tone rather than any actual history or genetics.

 

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I talked to a Moroccan, he said most people in Morocco identify as African. He admitted there are some, especially the older ones, that are on that Jordan.