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I had a few people tell me:
It’s not how much you volunteer, go to school, or have a good EPR; all that matters is how much ass you kiss as it pertains to ranking up.
How true is that?
there's levels to asskissing. and i don't really think it gets detailed enough

fact is - as you're literally always subordinate to someone somewhere - by volunteering, taking schools, performing well above your duty responsibilities, taking additional duties you're making your leadership look good whether they helped you or not.

if you do any of those things and aren't a jackass, more times than not people will call you a kiss ass :yeshrug: shyt sucks but its how you find out who you real friends and professional peers are quick
 
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there's levels to asskissing. and i don't really think it gets detailed enough

fact is - as you're literally always subordinate to someone somewhere - by volunteering, taking schools, performing well above your duty responsibilities, taking additional duties you're making your leadership look good whether they helped you or not.

if you do any of those things and aren't a jackass, more times than not people will kill you a kiss ass :yeshrug: shyt sucks but its how you find out who you real friends and professional peers are quick
Real shyt
To be honest the guys who told me that were salty about not passing WAPs testing by a few points
 

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To be honest the guys who told me that were salty about not passing WAPs testing by a few points
lames who think they can just be nice and flatter their way up hit the wall hard

if your leadership cannot fukking stand you - sometimes they'll have no choice but to promote or send you to a school/assignment of your choice because they'd have to explain to THEIR leadership why they won't and they know that convo won't end well...
 

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I had a few people tell me:
It’s not how much you volunteer, go to school, or have a good EPR; all that matters is how much ass you kiss as it pertains to ranking up.
How true is that?
Sounds like someone who did a 4 or 6 year contract and ended up hating it.

In the Air Force, all of those variabkes matter, mainly, the good EPR. The volunteering and school help make the EPR a lot stronger at boards (and I hate that; conversation for another day). “Ass kissing” is a little strong, I wouldn’t say that, but I will definitely say if you’re actively going around upsetting SNCOs and officers, it can come back to bite you.
 

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When I was a Lieutenant, I had one NCO on my team. Dude was a walking trash bag. Lazy as all hell, did nothing all day, wouldn't volunteer, go to school, try to become a stronger intelligence analyst, write reports or decorations...nothing. Back to back failed PT tests. If it was shytty, his name was in the mix. Dude got orders to a NorCal base and frankly, I was worried for the receiving unit, but it was going to make my life easier when he left. I felt bad thinking that as a young officer...but when my E3s are running circles around the dude what else is there to say. :yeshrug:

His wife wasn't having these orders. She threatened to divorce him if they went out there. As much of a dirtbag he was, I didn't want to see him get a divorce. Our Maj and Squadron Commander reach out to AFPC with this ultimatum his wife presented him...and holy shyt, they rescinded his orders. Any of the other Air Force bubbas in this thread will tell you..that never happens. I was in disbelief..but happy this would hopefully save his marriage.

It didn't. His wife reveals that this whole time she's been having a long-distance affair with some dude in Florida, and she was looking for any excuse to divorce him. Their marriage had been on the rocks for a while. She took their 3 kids (one was not his biological child, it was her first kid from a previous relationship), bought 4 tickets to Florida with their combined finances, and flew out.

He was crushed. Moping at work, needing time off, all of that. He WANTED to go to NorCal, he had family there, and apparently felt it would be a position he would succeed in. We had to keep a close eye on him, be wingmen for him, and get the chaplain involved; some folks were afraid he was going to commit suicide.

Like 2 or 3 weeks later, his wife calls. Her Jody dumped her. Jody straight up tooted and booted. She wanted to get back together with him now. The other NCOs and one of our prior-enlisted Lieutenants tried to convince him not to do it; she had disrespected him and threw his life into a tailspin. He didn't care. He took a week of leave, drove Florida, and drove the whole family back up our duty station. I couldn't believe it. :mjtf:

I've PCS'd since then, but apparently, dude's a still a dirtbag, and totally good with it. :martin:
Y'all don't routinely fed ex shytbags? It happenend all the time in the Army. We recieved a chick when I was at battalion she was married to a dude in Korea and they decided to separate them and put her in our unit even though we were slated to deploy. She and a marginal dude from Fayetteville (who was well liked) went started getting drunk first off duty then on duty, Then they both ended up going awol. Since homie was from the city cals where made and he came back in within 48 yours popped hot and was kicked out. Her dumbass went Awol 30 days before deployment and called in on the 29th day. The 1SG called her old unit and they admitted they sent her so her husbands sake. She stole a humvee and went joyriding. That was the last straw so they sent her to us. I'm nit sure if she really called on the 29th day but she wasn't charged with desertion she was just kicked out.
 

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Sounds like someone who did a 4 or 6 year contract and ended up hating it.

In the Air Force, all of those variabkes matter, mainly, the good EPR. The volunteering and school help make the EPR a lot stronger at boards (and I hate that; conversation for another day). “Ass kissing” is a little strong, I wouldn’t say that, but I will definitely say if you’re actively going around upsetting SNCOs and officers, it can come back to bite you.
In the army PT scores and schools is the only thing that mattered. Especially on the inital enlistment. I mean how else can you decide who to early promote? The Team Leader can't shyt on his people and in my job there was no way to really quantify who was a team player so schools mattered, versalitity mattered, PT tests (that you took at the beginning of any school) mattered.
 

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there's levels to asskissing. and i don't really think it gets detailed enough

fact is - as you're literally always subordinate to someone somewhere - by volunteering, taking schools, performing well above your duty responsibilities, taking additional duties you're making your leadership look good whether they helped you or not.

if you do any of those things and aren't a jackass, more times than not people will call you a kiss ass :yeshrug: shyt sucks but its how you find out who you real friends and professional peers are quick


Ass kissing worked on Junior NCO's and the forever E-4 chicks that worked in Battalion or Brigade. They got you meetings with the E-6's E-8's and sometimes E-9's who were the decison makers. I can't imagine ass kissing working on crusty E-8's or E-9's They heard it all and 9 times out of ten if you had to talk to them they already knew what they're decision was gonna be. Even as a E-6 squad leader you don't just go chop it up with E-9's like that.
 

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@Dave24 i got plenty of works outs to get you in shape and you tryna buy someone p*ssy i know where you can go lol just depends how much you tryna spend
 

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I had a few people tell me:
It’s not how much you volunteer, go to school, or have a good EPR; all that matters is how much ass you kiss as it pertains to ranking up.
How true is that?

Navy-wise it seems to be the true way to rank up. Either constantly buttering up to superiors, or being an Instagram sailor (only doing shyt when leadership is around/trying to be proactive). Hard workers and subject matter experts get taken for granted which leads to Fleet-wide feelings of resentment and total apathy.

Its why Big Navy is having so much trouble keeping motherfukkers in, but they dont realize it and just try to throw money at dudes thinking they'll want to stay in. Its sad too because you see a lot of people getting out who would make some of the best LPO/LCPOs with their knowledge, attitude, etc. But they get out and you just get the shytty motherfukker who doesn't know anything as your superior because they got coddled. :francis:
 

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I mean if he want some ass he might as well but it from some porn stars :dead: i know kaden kole will let you hit when ever you want for the right amount


Are you really planning to join? You're making @Dave24 seem rational. He's an virgin of course he's gonna inquire about that. as far as I seen he made a couple of posts about it AND HE SHUT UP ABOUT IT All you can do is give a grown man an opinion based on experience. You up here telling duke what he should do when you should be worried about what you alledgely want to do.

You remind me of that unwashed dude I met before basic training that wanted to be the CSM of Delta Force especially when you asked about Cyre Unifroms.

Elevate your feet, and your brain.
 

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Are you really planning to join? You're making @Dave24 seem rational. He's an virgin of course he's gonna inquire about that. as far as I seen he made a couple of posts about it AND HE SHUT UP ABOUT IT All you can do is give a grown man an opinion based on experience. You up here telling duke what he should do when you should be worried about what you alledgely want to do.

You remind me of that unwashed dude I met before basic training that wanted to be the CSM of Delta Force especially when you asked about Cyre Unifroms.

Elevate your feet, and your brain.
Yeah I’m joining i was just fukking around with him but you’re right let me stop
 
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