if yal didn't get good contractors yal's mission wasn't worth it. which is just fukked up from the top and the bottom tbh....That happenend to me in Afghanistan. A CECOM civilian showed up to help fix our raddedy ass equipment. @ 1700 he left. My Squad leader looked at him like he was crazy. I said Sarn't you can't tell that man what to do he's a civilian
Frankly I don't see at the solider level what contractors brought to the battlefield other than setting up shyt. They just lowered moreale And the goddamn KBR gate guards, and gas jockeys were just a scam, When you let the FOB they had to sign you out but the mission was planned and checked by the Unit and there were Army gate guards there as well.
there's things that only green suiters can do and things that no one else but green suiters will do. many times its simply more convenient to have a contractor fukk up than dealing with the repercussions of a service member dropping the ball and being on the news.
i'm saying what i'm saying because its a fact that the vast majority of the service doesn't understand where they actually standAgain the purpose of watfare has never been total anililation it's always been subjectgation. Hilter nore the Japanese ever used gas. When has a political or military unit ever said I want to create a wasteland where nothing will ever live.
Look at @Dave24 he's an extreme example but I never heard one person in this thread serving or retired say I did it for God & Country People sign up for adventure or to get paid!!!! On the other side of that hill behind the enemy soliders is cities full of bytches, there's money and resources like OIL You think an invading army wants that destroyed? You think that a solider would press a button to kill shytloads of civilians?
You're right one Boomer sub could destory a whole city easily in one strike. A single Carrier could devastate a whole countries Air force with the birds on the deck.
I mean damn how could you be in the army an see that's it's not a giant self licking ice cream cone? The military exists to pay the military industrial complex. We don't need the 82nd ready brigade to do another Normandy we have MEU's on boats in every hot spot right now. But if we didn't have an 82nd there wouldn't be a Fayetteville and that's just one no horse ass military town that's a city solely because a miltary base is there.
I mean if you were a republican you should be agianst military spending because the military is already large and powerful enough to fight the Russians and the Chinese with just the force already deployed against them, The reason for all those troops in CONUS is to spend tax dollars.
think about it - in all your establish a fighting position, dig a hole, man the gate training, pubs, and doctrine they never harp on how to disengage from armor, air, or naval bombardment. you're not prepared to fight to shyt worth fighting. you play war games and sometimes you stumble into a fight that you've won strategically years ago but tactically your element or the next will win within a schedule on attrition and logistical power IF winning was even the goal in the first place. that's not military industrial complex stuff. i'm talking about how the culture below brigade level really has people thinking that what they do for the military as a whole matters.
and again, i'm not even talking about the nukes or warcrime level stuff.
and yeah, scorched earth is still a thing. whether its minefields or destroyed farmlands. the japanese gassed people. hitler may not have used it - but he didn't really need to because he was steamrolling the allies. he needed oil and lubricants for tanks and ships more than he needed gas for trenches. i could go on about a lot of stuff but the problem i got is when people start acting like they ain't replaceable or what they do doesn't have a *specific* dollar sign/man-hour value attached to it that's been scrutinized for years or decades. that's got nothing to do with the m.i.c., but how guys put value into what they do for the DoD and its just not sensible.
and yes, people will kill shytloads of civilians on the regular in a conventional war because taking the public's will to fight removes the legs and support away from every standing army ever created. americans really forgot how this shyt goes...
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