Mike & Mike + Mark Schlereth unanimously agree Luck is Rookie of the Year

[CrimsonTider]

RGIII wins the award going away IMO...media is in love with him

You're right.

The media would be in love with Luck, but he just doesn't look the part.

Dude looks like a dufus.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

this thread has been done to death, man... it all depends on how you determine the winner of the award

but I've seen people in here ask how exactly Luck is asked to do more as a QB, so let me help explain...

while RG3 and Russell Wilson's stats look better on paper, Andrew Luck is EASILY the best QB out of the bunch, just using my eyes in watching them all play on the field... should the ROY be the best player or the one with the best stats (Wilson)? I don't know and I don't care.

the Seahawks and Skins offenses are entirely predicated on the running game... who can blame them, they both have beasts in the backfield they can hand the ball off to 25+ times a game... this allows Wilson and RG3 to have to throw the ball far less than Luck, and also be more conservative with it because they're not in as many 3rd and long situations... Luck is also asked to get to the line and run a "big boy" offense- going through all of his progressions and challenging the defense vertically... Washington and Seattle's offenses are far more conservative and dumbed down, with RG3 and Wilson have a single read on many plays- which again, is something you have the luxury of doing when you run the ball as well as those teams do

Luck is also asked to throw the ball deep far more than not only RG3 and Wilson, but also most QBs in the league... because they don't have a running game, Luck is often seeing two deep safeties and umbrella coverage; RG3 and Wilson haven't had to endure much of such... also, because teams usually have to creep a safety into the box to defend the run against Washington and Seattle, the corners on the opposing teams have to play off because they can't afford to get beat off the line and give up an easy long play with no safety help over the top, allowing Seattle and Washington receivers to get a free release off the line... so when RG3 or Russell Wilson DO throw the ball deep (especially off play action), the throws they are asked to make are going to be far easier than the ones Luck is asked to make down the field... compound that with an atrocious o-line which leads to a good amount of Luck's throws being made under pressure or him having to throw away the ball to avoid a sack, and you get a good idea of why his completion percentage is so far below the other two guys (not to mention all the bubble screens that Washington runs that greatly inflate RG3's stats)



so to the dudes asking how Luck is asked to do more, consider that if Luck ever were to throw for only 100 yards and 9 completions, the Colts literally have zero chance of winning that game; but that's exactly what RG3 did last week and yet, despite that, his team clinched the division title... THAT'S why Luck has had to shoulder the biggest load this season

 

[Frump]

this thread has been done to death, man... it all depends on how you determine the winner of the award

but I've seen people in here ask how exactly Luck is asked to do more as a QB, so let me help explain...

while RG3 and Russell Wilson's stats look better on paper, Andrew Luck is EASILY the best QB out of the bunch, just using my eyes in watching them all play on the field... should the ROY be the best player or the one with the best stats (Wilson)? I don't know and I don't care.

the Seahawks and Skins offenses are entirely predicated on the running game... who can blame them, they both have beasts in the backfield they can hand the ball off to 25+ times a game... this allows Wilson and RG3 to have to throw the ball far less than Luck, and also be more conservative with it because they're not in as many 3rd and long situations... Luck is also asked to get to the line and run a "big boy" offense- going through all of his progressions and challenging the defense vertically... Washington and Seattle's offenses are far more conservative and dumbed down, with RG3 and Wilson have a single read on many plays- which again, is something you have the luxury of doing when you run the ball as well as those teams do

Luck is also asked to throw the ball deep far more than not only RG3 and Wilson, but also most QBs in the league... because they don't have a running game, Luck is often seeing two deep safeties and umbrella coverage; RG3 and Wilson haven't had to endure much of such... also, because teams usually have to creep a safety into the box to defend the run against Washington and Seattle, the corners on the opposing teams have to play off because they can't afford to get beat off the line and give up an easy long play with no safety help over the top, allowing Seattle and Washington receivers to get a free release off the line... so when RG3 or Russell Wilson DO throw the ball deep (especially off play action), the throws they are asked to make are going to be far easier than the ones Luck is asked to make down the field... compound that with an atrocious o-line which leads to a good amount of Luck's throws being made under pressure or him having to throw away the ball to avoid a sack, and you get a good idea of why his completion percentage is so far below the other two guys (not to mention all the bubble screens that Washington runs that greatly inflate RG3's stats)



so to the dudes asking how Luck is asked to do more, consider that if Luck ever were to throw for only 100 yards and 9 completions, the Colts literally have zero chance of winning that game; but that's exactly what RG3 did last week and yet, despite that, his team clinched the division title... THAT'S why Luck has had to shoulder the biggest load this season

I agree as far as overall career i think Luck wil have the best and its not that close..

That 4th and 23 td pass

 

[SHAQAVELLI]

1. Luck
2. RG3
3. Alfred Morris
4. Wilson
5. Doug Martin

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

man Luck is good, but come on man most of his yard are yards after the catch.

This isn't true.

Only 38.5% of Luck's yards come from YAC. Which is third lowest in the league.

I need somebody to explain the whole "Luck was asked to do more as a QB" mantra.

Colts are running one of the most aggressive downfield passing attacks in the NFL, top 2/3 in the leauge in terms of how often they go deep. That Colts are doing this with mostly rookies. The RB Ballard is a rookie, and the WR/TE threats are: Wayne (probowler) Hilton (rookie) Avery (trash) Allen (rookie) Fleener (rookie) Brazill (rookie). The only team to give rookies more snaps this year was the Browns. They're doing it behind a garbage o-line. Add in that he's top 5 in attempts.



That's where the mantra comes from.

how is luck doing more with less luck has better weapons than rg3 and their running game isn't tht bad when they actually decide to run the ball

Who are these better weapons? Outside of Wayne they're all rookies. And when they decide to run they average 3.8 yards a carry which is bottom 10 in the league.

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That being said Luck shouldn't win the award but some of the stuff I hear on here is

 

[PHamm]

So they didn't mention that Luck has been targeting a future Hall of Famer all year while Wilson and Griffin are playing with a bunch of #2 's and #3 's?

Did they bring up the higher interception numbers and lack of schedule strength?

Did they mention that Wilson and Griffin have both rushed for twice as many yards as Luck?

breh, what you are presenting are facts, something that is not valued at the 4 letter network.

 

[nalej]

You can make a case for all three but RG3 didn't even play a full season. That's my argument why he shouldn't get picked.

 

[courtdog]

this thread has been done to death, man... it all depends on how you determine the winner of the award

but I've seen people in here ask how exactly Luck is asked to do more as a QB, so let me help explain...

while RG3 and Russell Wilson's stats look better on paper, Andrew Luck is EASILY the best QB out of the bunch, just using my eyes in watching them all play on the field... should the ROY be the best player or the one with the best stats (Wilson)? I don't know and I don't care.

the Seahawks and Skins offenses are entirely predicated on the running game... who can blame them, they both have beasts in the backfield they can hand the ball off to 25+ times a game... this allows Wilson and RG3 to have to throw the ball far less than Luck, and also be more conservative with it because they're not in as many 3rd and long situations... Luck is also asked to get to the line and run a "big boy" offense- going through all of his progressions and challenging the defense vertically... Washington and Seattle's offenses are far more conservative and dumbed down, with RG3 and Wilson have a single read on many plays- which again, is something you have the luxury of doing when you run the ball as well as those teams do

Luck is also asked to throw the ball deep far more than not only RG3 and Wilson, but also most QBs in the league... because they don't have a running game, Luck is often seeing two deep safeties and umbrella coverage; RG3 and Wilson haven't had to endure much of such... also, because teams usually have to creep a safety into the box to defend the run against Washington and Seattle, the corners on the opposing teams have to play off because they can't afford to get beat off the line and give up an easy long play with no safety help over the top, allowing Seattle and Washington receivers to get a free release off the line... so when RG3 or Russell Wilson DO throw the ball deep (especially off play action), the throws they are asked to make are going to be far easier than the ones Luck is asked to make down the field... compound that with an atrocious o-line which leads to a good amount of Luck's throws being made under pressure or him having to throw away the ball to avoid a sack, and you get a good idea of why his completion percentage is so far below the other two guys (not to mention all the bubble screens that Washington runs that greatly inflate RG3's stats)



so to the dudes asking how Luck is asked to do more, consider that if Luck ever were to throw for only 100 yards and 9 completions, the Colts literally have zero chance of winning that game; but that's exactly what RG3 did last week and yet, despite that, his team clinched the division title... THAT'S why Luck has had to shoulder the biggest load this season

Bruh, all your doing here is repeating regurgitated bullshyt
Your no NFL expect on offenses, you don't watch all 3 play, your a dumbass
You have no idea what type of reads RG3 does out there, nor do you know what Luck does
This is why nothing you said could be taken seriously because once again, your repeating the status quo
How is he working with "less" when they 11-5 inspite of Lucks fukkups?
Luck is the reason they are 11-5 tho... Luck of an easy schedule.. Luck to be able to comeback from horrible teams in the fourth quarter
Yeah, thats much more impressive than winning your division in a much tougher division, beating tougher opponents all year
Making other players around you better... thats what a MVP is all about
Not a guy who benefited from a weak schedule. When they get blown out on sunday, there will be no more debating on who is the real ROTY
All you gotta do is look who has reservations to the Pro-Bowl, and who is planning on blowing that reservation off

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Bruh, all your doing here is repeating regurgitated bullshyt
Your no NFL expect on offenses, you don't watch all 3 play, your a dumbass
You have no idea what type of reads RG3 does out there, nor do you know what Luck does
This is why nothing you said could be taken seriously because once again, your repeating the status quo
How is he working with "less" when they 11-5 inspite of Lucks fukkups?
Luck is the reason they are 11-5 tho... Luck of an easy schedule.. Luck to be able to comeback from horrible teams in the fourth quarter
Yeah, thats much more impressive than winning your division in a much tougher division, beating tougher opponents all year
Making other players around you better... thats what a MVP is all about
Not a guy who benefited from a weak schedule. When they get blown out on sunday, there will be no more debating on who is the real ROTY
All you gotta do is look who has reservations to the Pro-Bowl, and who is planning on blowing that reservation off

Bruh, all your doing here is repeating regurgitated bullshyt

You mean to tell me a team that a team went 2-14 last year, had as much roster turnover as the Colts and is relying heavily on rookies while changing the scheme on both sides of the ball...you mean to tell me that team is lucky to have a +9 win turnaround?

You're damn right the Colts had an easy schedule, even with a poor schedule it's impressive they've been able to win as much as they have. They have no business winning 11 games regardless of schedule. And yes a large part of them managing to get there is due to Luck having 7 game winning drives this year.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Bruh, all your doing here is repeating regurgitated bullshyt

You mean to tell me a team that a team went 2-14 last year, had as much roster turnover as the Colts and is relying heavily on rookies while changing the scheme on both sides of the ball...you mean to tell me that team is lucky to have a +9 win turnaround?

You're damn right the Colts had an easy schedule, even with a poor schedule it's impressive they've been able to win as much as they have. They have no business winning 11 games regardless of schedule. And yes a large part of them managing to get there is due to Luck having 7 game winning drives this year.

plus they lost their coach as well

 

[Prodyson]

Here's my problem with the "Luck is asked to do more" argument... He's not asked to do more. He's asked to THROW more, but not to DO more.

Ya'll are acting like THROWING the ball is the only factor when judging a QB, when that's just not the case. You know why Luck has to throw the ball so much more than RGIII and Wilson.... Because he can't run like RGIII and Wilson!!

So what if he has to throw the ball more than the other two? RGIII and Wilson have to run the ball more than Luck. Being a quarterback in this day and age is a lot more than just throwing the ball.

Ya'll use this same rhetoric... "Luck has more turnovers, lower passer rating, and lower completion % because he has to throw the ball more"

So what?.... Then that clown should learn how to run more. I bet if Luck could be more of an effective runner, his bum a** RB would probably get a couple hundred more yards in a season. Since when do you not credit a player for using all of his abilities to play a better all-around game? I have no doubt that if RGIII (Not sure about Wilson) had to throw just as many passes as Luck, his stats would AT LEAST be identical, because he's proven that he's just as accurate a passer as Luck.

Add that with the fact that he had an easier schedule and only won 1 more game... I'd give it to RGIII. But with all that said... I think Luck is gonna be a damn good QB in this league, I just think RGIII has been better this year.

And this is coming from a Giants fan...

 

[Prodyson]

Bruh, all your doing here is repeating regurgitated bullshyt

You mean to tell me a team that a team went 2-14 last year, had as much roster turnover as the Colts and is relying heavily on rookies while changing the scheme on both sides of the ball...you mean to tell me that team is lucky to have a +9 win turnaround?

You're damn right the Colts had an easy schedule, even with a poor schedule it's impressive they've been able to win as much as they have. They have no business winning 11 games regardless of schedule. And yes a large part of them managing to get there is due to Luck having 7 game winning drives this year.

In my opinion having a +9 turnaround is good... But not as big a deal as people make it out to be. At least not when judging ONE player.

Their schedule this year was easy... What was their schedule like last year? Was it more difficult? Well then they may have had a 2 or 3 game turnaround with the same team.

You say they had a high turnover from last year to this year? Well maybe this group just works better together, that's usually why player get released and signed, becasue the coaches/GMs think they are a better fit. So may those changes gave them 1 or 2 more wins.

Then you add Luck to what we assume is a better all-around team and an easier schedule. And he's a good QB, so he adds another 3 or 4 wins to your record.

There are so many factors in why teams win that it's stupid, in my opinion, for you to judge the skill level of one player based off wins from year to year... Unless nothing has changed from year to year except for that one player. And considering this is NFL, most things change from year to year.

 

[GetSomeMoney]

I knew somebody was gonna bring up race, even though golic picked peterson as the MVP over that chump manning.


RG3 is playing in a system created just for him, that boy a gimmick QB that will be exposed next year, after a whole off season of film study. :tomshady:

Nobody has figured out that gimmick scheme Brady has been running all these years. Its funny how people wanna talk gimmick scheme when it comes to RG3 but don't wanna bring up how those gimmick schemes helped Brees (which was the reason New Orleans was close to letting him go but made Sean Payton the highest paid coach in the league) and Brady (which is why he was forced to take that lowball contract for a guy who won 3 Super Bowls), Manning is way better than them cats

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Here's my problem with the "Luck is asked to do more" argument... He's not asked to do more. He's asked to THROW more, but not to DO more.

Ya'll are acting like THROWING the ball is the only factor when judging a QB, when that's just not the case. You know why Luck has to throw the ball so much more than RGIII and Wilson.... Because he can't run like RGIII and Wilson!!

So what if he has to throw the ball more than the other two? RGIII and Wilson have to run the ball more than Luck. Being a quarterback in this day and age is a lot more than just throwing the ball.

Ya'll use this same rhetoric... "Luck has more turnovers, lower passer rating, and lower completion % because he has to throw the ball more"

So what?.... Then that clown should learn how to run more. I bet if Luck could be more of an effective runner, his bum a** RB would probably get a couple hundred more yards in a season. Since when do you not credit a player for using all of his abilities to play a better all-around game? I have no doubt that if RGIII (Not sure about Wilson) had to throw just as many passes as Luck, his stats would AT LEAST be identical, because he's proven that he's just as accurate a passer as Luck.

Add that with the fact that he had an easier schedule and only won 1 more game... I'd give it to RGIII. But with all that said... I think Luck is gonna be a damn good QB in this league, I just think RGIII has been better this year.

And this is coming from a Giants fan...

Luck can run the ball. Dude had nearly the same 40 time as Cam Newton, and yes I realize that there's more to rushing than just 40 time.

Colts don't want him to run. There's a ton of plays where he sits in the pocket and refuses to run despite having an opening to do so. It's probably because the coaching staff doesn't want to risk the injury. He's not just going to start running more because Indy's scheme doesn't call for it, they keep him chained to the pocket. Even if you look at total dropbacks and include runs and throws he has more responsibility than the other two.

If you want good examples of his running ability look at the end of the Lions game where they were playing from behind and he was running. at 2:09, 2:35 where he shrugs off a DL, 2:50 where he beats Suh to the corner.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNiqvaAMOs[/ame]

He's not RG3 but still.

 

[mastermind]

so to the dudes asking how Luck is asked to do more, consider that if Luck ever were to throw for only 100 yards and 9 completions, the Colts literally have zero chance of winning that game;

if RG3 has a 3 int game where he completes 44% of his passes like Luck did against Detroit, there is no chance the Redskins win.

I get it tho, it matters for one but not the other.