Mike & Mike + Mark Schlereth unanimously agree Luck is Rookie of the Year

[dora_da_destroyer]

it's OK to bring up lynch and morris, but conveniently don't bring reggie wayne and T.Y hilton.

it's absurd that people are still clamoring for luck to win it.

you just made a point for Luck, that plays into the whole reason he's forced to throw more -> more interceptions, RGIII and Wilson can hand the ball off in addition to throwing, while Luck has WR's and TE's, his weapons rely on PASSING

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

its never mentioned because he doesnt turn the ball over and its not that important with regards to QB play. RG3 has only lost 2 fumbles this season, so thats 7 turnovers.

Luck lost 5 fumbles

So it's a positive for RG3 when his WR picks up the fumble? Because he bounced it to him? Like he has control over where the ball goes when he loses it.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

If ever there deserved to be co-ROY this would be the year. Luck seems like an obvious choice but that's only because I don't even think of RG3 as a rookie. He had the fewest turnovers out of every starter in the NFL. That's insane.

And of course Wilson had a great rookie year too but he's not really in the discussion. I only mentioned him out of honor.

 

[kash10003]

i think rg3 or wilson deserve the roy awards but i would draft luck 10/10 times in a draft over the other 2 by far

 

[mastermind]

you just made a point for Luck, that plays into the whole reason he's forced to throw more -> more interceptions, RGIII and Wilson can hand the ball off in addition to throwing, while Luck has WR's and TE's, his weapons rely on PASSING

im sorry, but this makes no sense.

weapons are weapons. You can have a team that passes a lot, but if you have weapons then there is no issue. For a large chunk of this season, the Skins #1 WR was Josh Morgan and Leonard Hankerson, who were never up to scratch to be that role.

And the passing more = more turnovers stuff is a nonsense. Luck has a higher interception percentage by nearly a whole percentage point.

So it's a positive for RG3 when his WR picks up the fumble? Because he bounced it to him? Like he has control over where the ball goes when he loses it.

now you are realizing why fumbles are not mentioned for QBs.:odawg:

and I never said RG3's fumbles were a positive.

 

[Walt]

The pro-Luck and anti-RGIII arguments in this thread are some of the stupidest I've seen on this site.

 

[#1 pick]

Wayne, Hilton, Allen, and Fleener>>>>Garcon and the ratpack.

RG3>>>>>Luck.

 

[mastermind]

The pro-Luck and anti-RGIII arguments in this thread are some of the stupidest I've seen on this site.

its just grasping, and I dont know why.

its just funny to see how they moved the goalposts for why Luck hasn't performed better this season. Every week, its something new.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

so a running weapon vs passing weapon is the same in evaluating the stance of having to pass more? a "weapon is a weapon" would stand if we were arguing about talent on the team, but that wasn't my reference

more passes will equate to more interceptions for most QB's, mathematical probabilities are a valid argument

2012 QB ATT INT
1. Stafford 727 17
2. Brees 670 19
3. Romo 648 19
4. Brady 637 8 <-- gawd status
5. Luck 627 18

QB's with less than 400 att (16 QB's), save for Locker, Henne, Cassel have 10 or less
QB's with 400+ att (24 QB's), save for Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers have 12+ (Flacco only having 10)

 

[Frump]

i think rg3 or wilson deserve the roy awards but i would draft luck 10/10 times in a draft over the other 2 by far

Id agree with that..There was a reason Luck got the best grades out of any qb in 20 plus years dudes gonna be special who cares about the award

Though i think Wilsons been a little overrated...hes played great the last month of the season but for a lot of the year he was throwing for 140 yards a game and they were still winning because of the running game and defense hes asked to do the least by far out of the three qb's

 

[Prodyson]

Luck accounts for more of the Colt's offense than RG3 does for the Redskins.

Not if you give RGIII credit for making the decision to hand the ball off in a read option situation. That was my point.

The Colts run a more complex passing game than the Redskins do. The decisions Luck has to make passing > decisions on a read option.

Who cares dude!!! Who cares!!!!

Why are you making this about who is the better passer or thinker or whatever you need to justify Luck being the better all around player? Not having to do something does not equal not being able to. The only stat that Luck has RGIII beat in is wins.... And that's with playing an easier schedule... And he only has 1 MORE WIN!!

What does how complex the passing game is have to do with who has played the best? If RGIII doesn't have to do complex reads, why should he?... When he can just run around the defense and get a touchdown. And clearly it has worked, considering he has better stats and in the playoffs.

It just doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be about things players can't control, like the system you're playing in and what skills you're weren't born with. It should be about what you are able to do with the system you're in and the skills that you have.... RGIII has done more, hence almost identical records and better stats in nearly every category

This is just a hypothetical argument. I could say if RGIII got chained to the pocket and asked to throw constantly behind Indy's oline he would be on IR right now.

Based off of what though?... RGIII has shown he can be a very accurate pocket passer when necessary. What do you have to say that he would be on IR if he stayed in the pocket? He still has great footwork and vision to avoid defenders. You don't have any evidence to support your argument considering his injuries have come from him scrambling.

 

[Master Teacher]

This isn't true.

Only 38.5% of Luck's yards come from YAC. Which is third lowest in the league.



Colts are running one of the most aggressive downfield passing attacks in the NFL, top 2/3 in the leauge in terms of how often they go deep. That Colts are doing this with mostly rookies. The RB Ballard is a rookie, and the WR/TE threats are: Wayne (probowler) Hilton (rookie) Avery (trash) Allen (rookie) Fleener (rookie) Brazill (rookie). The only team to give rookies more snaps this year was the Browns. They're doing it behind a garbage o-line. Add in that he's top 5 in attempts.



That's where the mantra comes from.



Who are these better weapons? Outside of Wayne they're all rookies. And when they decide to run they average 3.8 yards a carry which is bottom 10 in the league.

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That being said Luck shouldn't win the award but some of the stuff I hear on here is

where you get this stat from, everytime I watch a colts game, ballad making plays

all the receiver make good plays after the catch, they ain't dropping passes, or hindering luck in anyway.

please people ignore the colts defense, getting INTS, and giving Luck more chances.

They doing the same thing with Luck they did with Tim Tebow, trying act like it's just him, when the numbers dont back it up.

The only game where it was all Morris, was the dallas game, clearly because RGIII was not himself.
All you have to do is look at the records of the teams in each of their divisions, and you will see which division was more competitive, it's not even close.

But this argument will be put to rest, in the playoffs.
RGIII has a more difficult task facing the Seahawks D, but Luck ain't about to have it easy because playoff ball is different than regular season, so we shall see.

 

[mastermind]

so a running weapon vs passing weapon is the same in evaluating the stance of having to pass more? a "weapon is a weapon" would stand if we were arguing about talent on the team, but that wasn't my reference

more passes will equate to more interceptions for most QB's, mathematical probabilities are a valid argument

2012 QB ATT INT
1. Stafford 727 17
2. Brees 670 19
3. Romo 648 19
4. Brady 637 8 <-- gawd status
5. Luck 627 18

QB's with less than 400 att (16 QB's), save for Locker, Henne, Cassel have 10 or less
QB's with 400+ att (24 QB's), save for Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers have 12+ (Flacco only having 10)

what are you doing?

realize only Brady and Luck made the postseason this year and had winning records.

And are you saying the Saints dont have weapoins in the passing game? Or the Patriots? Or the Lions?


and look at Tom Brady's int percentage. He threw more and yet had less ints than Luck, by a lot.

Why are you doing this? I thou I wuz ya bwoy?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

what are you doing?

realize only Brady and Luck made the postseason this year and had winning records.

And are you saying the Saints dont have weapoins in the passing game? Or the Patriots? Or the Lions?


and look at Tom Brady's int percentage. He threw more and yet had less ints than Luck, by a lot.

Why are you doing this? I thou I wuz ya bwoy?

you are my boy...

i said more att = more INT's (for MOST....that's why i placed brady as gawd status)

nothing about that post says the Saints, Pats, Lions don't have passing weapons i'm not sure where you're coming from with that...and i definitely wasn't talking about winning records, you got me lost breh

 

[mastermind]

i said more att = more INT's (for MOST....that's why i placed brady as gawd status)

nothing about that post says the Saints, Pats, Lions don't have passing weapons i'm not sure where you're coming from with that...and i definitely wasn't talking about winning records, you got me lost breh

I understand the INT point, but Luck has a higher interception percentage than Brady and RG3. That is a better barometer than just looking at the raw interception total. It is supposed to factor in that Luck throws more than RG3, yet RG3 still has a lower percentage.

and the Saints, Pats, and Lions have more weapons in the passing game than running game. Its the same for the Colts too. Its why they throw the ball so much.

you are my boy...