Mike & Mike + Mark Schlereth unanimously agree Luck is Rookie of the Year

[Frump]

Why do you think this when RG3 and Wilson are better than Luck this year and they were better than him last year

You judge qb's in the pros on college stats also?

I think Wilson and RG3 will be nice little qb's but i think Lucks ceiling is much higher and will have the best career out of the three

Also qb's like RG3 start wearing down at around 29,30 look at Vick where qb's like Mannig and Brady still tear are great into their late 30's which is another advantage for Luck long term

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

if RG3 has a 3 int game where he completes 44% of his passes like Luck did against Detroit, there is no chance the Redskins win.

I get it tho, it matters for one but not the other.

I guarantee if in that same game, RG3 throws for 391 yards and 4 touchdowns, including one on the last play of the game... you know, like Luck did, then the Redskins win that game more times than not.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Ya'll are acting like THROWING the ball is the only factor when judging a QB, when that's just not the case. You know why Luck has to throw the ball so much more than RGIII and Wilson.... Because he can't run like RGIII and Wilson!!

you're just talking now, the Colts didn't ask him to run. Luck was very mobile in college

 

[mastermind]

I guarantee if in that same game, RG3 throws for 391 yards and 4 touchdowns, including one on the last play of the game... you know, like Luck did, then the Redskins win that game more times than not.

see this the problem, Luck has 3 ints and you just explain it away.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

How come we always gotta talk about Lucks INTs but never hear about RG3 damn near leading the league in fumbles?

Because his WRs scoop them up for TDs?

 

[DallasTxRep]

I think Russell Wilson should win

 

[Prodyson]

Luck can run the ball. Dude had nearly the same 40 time as Cam Newton, and yes I realize that there's more to rushing than just 40 time.

Colts don't want him to run. There's a ton of plays where he sits in the pocket and refuses to run despite having an opening to do so. It's probably because the coaching staff doesn't want to risk the injury. He's not just going to start running more because Indy's scheme doesn't call for it, they keep him chained to the pocket. Even if you look at total dropbacks and include runs and throws he has more responsibility than the other two.
If you want good examples of this look at the end of the Lions game where they were playing from behind and he was running. at 2:09, 2:35 where he shrugs off a DL, 2:50 where he beats Suh to the corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNiqvaAMOs

He's not RG3 but still.

To the bolded... What? How so? Essentially, doesn't RGIII have the same or more responsibility since he has to make decisions on not only the passing plays, but also at least half of the running plays... where it's a read option? Alfred Morris benefits greatly because people are so worried about what RGIII can/will do. And Morris capitalizes because he's a good back.

As for everything else you said.... You're not disputing my point. My point is that the Colts aren't asking Andrew Luck to do anything more than RGIII except PASS. And that's because he doesn't have the tools run like RGIII, and that's not his system.

You can't count that against RGIII. Like I said, if RGIII was asked to play in the same system, I'm inclined to believe he would be just as good Luck. Sure, RGIII doesn't have to pass as much Luck, and doesn't have to take as many risks. But that's because he has other tools and a system that allow him to avoid those risks.... Isn't that a tribute to his skill/talent?

 

[Prodyson]

How come we always gotta talk about Lucks INTs but never hear about RG3 damn near leading the league in fumbles?

Because his WRs scoop them up for TDs?

How many were actual turnovers?

Yea fumbles are pretty bad... but not as bad if you're not actually giving up the ball.

You throw an interception... the other team gets the ball.

With that said... people should include his fumbles, they just aren't necessarily as bad as interceptions.

 

[holidayinn21]

wilson has more TD's than luck in 254 less passes.

luck has only 3 more td passes despite 234 more passes.

both wilson and rg3 have been sacked at a higher clip.

it's OK to bring up lynch and morris, but conveniently don't bring reggie wayne and T.Y hilton.

it's absurd that people are still clamoring for luck to win it.

 

[mastermind]

How come we always gotta talk about Lucks INTs but never hear about RG3 damn near leading the league in fumbles?

Because his WRs scoop them up for TDs?

dont think you want to go there. While RG3 has 12 fumbles, Luck has 10.


and throwing an int>>>>a fumble when it comes to QB play

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

dont think you want to go there. While RG3 has 12 fumbles, Luck has 10.


and throwing an int>>>>a fumble when it comes to QB play

Still it's never even mentioned. All you hear about is how amazing Griffin is cause he never turns the ball over but this dude fumbles a lot.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

LMAO at RG3 being just as good as Luck if he was playing in Indy's system... go check Washington's abysmal conversion % on 3rd and long's when the other team knows they have to throw the ball

 

[mastermind]

its never mentioned because he doesnt turn the ball over and its not that important with regards to QB play. RG3 has only lost 2 fumbles this season, so thats 7 turnovers.

Luck lost 5 fumbles

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

To the bolded... What? How so? Essentially, doesn't RGIII have the same or more responsibility since he has to make decisions on not only the passing plays, but also at least half of the running plays... where it's a read option? Alfred Morris benefits greatly because people are so worried about what RGIII can/will do. And Morris capitalizes because he's a good back.

Luck accounts for more of the Colt's offense than RG3 does for the Redskins.

As for everything else you said.... You're not disputing my point. My point is that the Colts aren't asking Andrew Luck to do anything more than RGIII except PASS. And that's because he doesn't have the tools run like RGIII, and that's not his system.

The Colts run a more complex passing game than the Redskins do. The decisions Luck has to make passing > decisions on a read option.

You can't count that against RGIII. Like I said, if RGIII was asked to play in the same system, I'm inclined to believe he would be just as good Luck. Sure, RGIII doesn't have to pass as much Luck, and doesn't have to take as many risks. But that's because he has other tools and a system that allow him to avoid those risks.... Isn't that a tribute to his skill/talent?

This is just a hypothetical argument. I could say if RGIII got chained to the pocket and asked to throw constantly behind Indy's oline he would be on IR right now.

 

[Absolut]

griffin by a razor thin margin over wilson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>luck. imo theres quite a gap in the top 2 rookie qbs play over lucks this year