McHale's slippery eel fakes vs Hakeem's dream shakes

[dantheman9758]

Breh it was more than just pretty, it was effective enough to carry a whole team of role players to 2 championships. Hakeem didn't have the luxury to play with muti HOFers and All Star players, He was doing all of this mostly against double teams while also dominated on the other end of the court

From what I can see it isn't the post moves that separated McHale and Hakeem's total game impact, it's the other things Hakeem did that McHale couldn't do like facilitating ability and floor leadership. When I say I think McHales post moves and Hakeems post moves are comparable together I'm strictly speaking only their low-post scoring abilities here - I think in that very specific part of the game under a magnifying glass they do appear very worthy of comparison - why dont u think McHales post moves are comparable with Hakeems, cause of career accolade? McHale was capable of makin double and triple teams look foolish too with his countermoves. No he didn't command it at all times but it aint his fault he had larry bird as a teammate taking double teams away - again, hakeem is w/o question the greater impact player, a greater player all time, im not talking bout all that, just low post scoring repertoir

 

[Malta]

Can you imagine if dream picked up basketball as a kid

The big man position is dying and its aau's fault. I remember Jeremy Tyler being projected number one overall in the draft, cuz he was a 10th grade big man who played with his back to the basket. Then his aau coach starts talking about making him a 3 ala tmac and he regress. Fast forward 3 yrs later hes drafted 44th overall and gets no burn on the Warriors

That's why I'm following this Jahlil Okafor's development, in his own words -

Okafor said Michael Jordan is the best basketball player he has ever seen. But Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal and Hakeem Olajuwon are the three best big men he has seen. Each of them has been important, influential, motivating and inspirational factors on his life.

"Duncan was so skilled, the first big man I started to watch in fifth grade. People said I looked like him so I started to watch him. Hakeem was so skilled on the block. He had great post moves, what I try to have in my game. Shaq was so dominant on the floor, what I want to be. He overpowered people."

And it's not just words, because you see all 3 of them in his game. I'd shake his father's hand if I could.

 

[bangbreh]

i think he just spun his way into "goat" talks

 

[killacal]

That's why I'm following this Jahlil Okafor's development, in his own words -





And it's not just words, because you see all 3 of them in his game. I'd shake his father's hand if I could.

Its funny you can tell who has a dad and was raised right by watching some of these dudes play

 

[Guess Who]

That Jahlil Okafor kid looks like he's going to be a PROBLEM!

 

[Worl Boss 1Don]

 

[mastermind]

Ebi was like 190lbs though breh, Big Drum is 279lbs, it's too different types of clay he'd be working with.

Bynum's back to the basket game was raw, he just was bigger than everyone else in HS, and even there his stats weren't that impressive.

I agree with you on the fundamentals, and I'd say it's most. These dudes don't even know where to catch the ball or how to repost, it makes no sense really. That's also why I maintain that the next great big man we see, will probably be from Europe or it'll be some kid who was a rugged undersized PF that had a late growth spurt. Example would be if Jared Sullinger was more athletic, and grew to 7"0 from his senior year in HS to his sophomore year in OSU. It's bound to happen, just a matter of when.

yeah, Sullinger is a guy who I look at and wonder how good he would be if he was 2 inches taller and had longer arms. He got the post moves, and will be able to score but that height will limit him.

And I agree the next dominant big man is coming from Europe

Its funny you can tell who has a dad and was raised right by watching some of these dudes play

just what I said

I blame bad youth coaching, the prison industrial complex (specifically the 100/1 crack-cocaine laws) for incarcerating dads, deadbeat dads, and Magic Johnson.

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

Durant the same size and similar build as McHale... u see Durant steppin inside the paint an dominating like McHale?

whats crazy is with his jumpshot and length his up fakes into pivot plays would be impossible to stop

 

[mastermind]

Spoiler

There aint nothin physically holdin back Durant in comparison to McHale.... If that skeleton can dominate in the post vs Barkley and Malone Durant can do it in this league. Both 6-9 to 6-10 w/o shoes, both 7-4 wingspans (Durant actually got 7-4.75 wingspan), both are on lanky 210-220lb frames. McHale is proof that skill > athleticism in the low post every time. Barkley was about as strong as they get in the low block, and Barkley said McHale was the most unguardable player he ever played against. People in this era worry about havin that "NBA body" - thats only a relatively recent trend in the league. McHale skinny ass would prob slither right around todays meatheads. I think KD could do the same if he wanted to learn how he don't need to pack on weight to learn how to fake people out of they shoes - only thing u need to do what McHale did is practice and repeat - gotta have good balance and a quick mind too tho, if theres one physical trait he had to pull that off its good balance

I cant disagree with this at all. I think any player can be a great post player if they worked on it.

Mark Jackson was one of the best "small" post players I have ever seen. So good that they had to create a new rule for it.

From what I can see it isn't the post moves that separated McHale and Hakeem's total game impact, it's the other things Hakeem did that McHale couldn't do like facilitating ability and floor leadership. When I say I think McHales post moves and Hakeems post moves are comparable together I'm strictly speaking only their low-post scoring abilities here - I think in that very specific part of the game under a magnifying glass they do appear very worthy of comparison - why dont u think McHales post moves are comparable with Hakeems, cause of career accolade? McHale was capable of makin double and triple teams look foolish too with his countermoves. No he didn't command it at all times but it aint his fault he had larry bird as a teammate taking double teams away - again, hakeem is w/o question the greater impact player, a greater player all time, im not talking bout all that, just low post scoring repertoir

yeah, I agree with this. In fact I think McHale was better as a low post scorer. Hakeem was amazing but McHale had so many post moves and counter moves that it was impossible to stop.

 

[Megatron Island]

My pops used to tell me how dominant Kevin McHale was when I was younger, but I just and proceeded to look for Steve Francis highlights.

 

[MrFantastic]

Breh it was more than just pretty, it was effective enough to carry a whole team of role players to 2 championships. Hakeem didn't have the luxury to play with muti HOFers and All Star players, He was doing all of this mostly against double teams while also dominated on the other end of the court

Just an example: As soon as he touches the ball he goes to work often beating the double team

Hakeem Olajuwon 41 points vs. Jazz - YouTube

I wish we coulda had mike vs the dream for 7 games!

That was beautiful..

 

[ryderldb]

The thought process that went into doing that on the fly, and the ability to move your feet like that at his size just wasn't fair.

Dude had a killer crossover too

 

[Newzz]

Dude had a killer crossover too

I was just about to post this and seen you got to it first.

nikkas aint noticing that Hakeem hit David Robinson with the crossover first

 

[threattonature]

The best part about that move is how D-Rob looked all excited that he didn't fall for the first fake and was ready to jump all over that shot like "finally caught his ass".

 

[bigmanharris]

The lack of big men with actual post skill can be attributed to 2 things.....No more Pete Newell and AAU being guard oriented because everybody trying to showcase themselves.