McHale's slippery eel fakes vs Hakeem's dream shakes

[Malta]

didnt work out for Ndudi Ebi and KG was never a great low post scorer (he is good tho).


This shyt has to be drilled in well before they reach the NBA.

Ebi wanted to be a SF, and KG was always effective when he actually tried to play in the post, he'd just float out to the top of the key.

I think Bynum and Howard are proof you can school bigs in the post, even though Howard's back to the basket game sucks he doesn't play outside the lane. Bynum was about as raw as it gets in the post, Kareem did wonders with him.

I honestly think there's not that much player development going on with bigs, they are just left to work on whatever it is they do. Aren't dudes paying Hakeem out of pocket to work with him, not the teams themselves? I mean it's basic, you build off the jump hook with either hand off a two foot plant, where to get post position and then you go from there, I'm not even a trainer/coach and I can tell people how to work on their post game.

 

[mastermind]

Ebi wanted to be a SF, and KG was always effective when he actually tried to play in the post, he'd just float out to the top of the key.

I think Bynum and Howard are proof you can school bigs in the post, even though Howard's back to the basket game sucks he doesn't play outside the lane. Bynum was about as raw as it gets in the post, Kareem did wonders with him.

I honestly think there's not that much player development going on with bigs, they are just left to work on whatever it is they do. Aren't dudes paying Hakeem out of pocket to work with him, not the teams themselves? I mean it's basic, you build off the jump hook with either hand off a two foot plant, where to get post position and then you go from there, I'm not even a trainer/coach and I can tell people how to work on their post game.

McHale made it known he was coaching Ebi tho. A small forward can have a post game too.

And Bynum's back to the basket game wasn't that raw when he came into the NBA. He just needed, and still needs more IMO, some refinement.

Some of these bigs don't even have fundamentals down like how their feet should be positioned. These guys need to get the basics down before they hit the nba, and maybe before college because many of these "elite" coaches don't do a good job at developing bigs either.

 

[TheNig]

Ebi wanted to be a SF, and KG was always effective when he actually tried to play in the post, he'd just float out to the top of the key.

I think Bynum and Howard are proof you can school bigs in the post, even though Howard's back to the basket game sucks he doesn't play outside the lane. Bynum was about as raw as it gets in the post, Kareem did wonders with him.

I honestly think there's not that much player development going on with bigs, they are just left to work on whatever it is they do. Aren't dudes paying Hakeem out of pocket to work with him, not the teams themselves? I mean it's basic, you build off the jump hook with either hand off a two foot plant, where to get post position and then you go from there, I'm not even a trainer/coach and I can tell people how to work on their post game.

the style of the game has done this. its a more open floor style of play which basically lends a hand to perimeter players. all you need to be is 7 ft and be able to rebound and you can have a job in the league now.


kinda sad. i miss the dominant big men in the post.

 

[mastermind]

the style of the game has done this. its a more open floor style of play which basically lends a hand to perimeter players. all you need to be is 7 ft and be able to rebound and you can have a job in the league now.


kinda sad. i miss the dominant big men in the post.

I don't buy the style of play argument. The game was more open in the 60s and 70s, which was the first golden age for big men.

I blame bad youth coaching, the prison industrial complex (specifically the 100/1 crack-cocaine laws) for incarcerating dads, deadbeat dads, and Magic Johnson.

 

[TheNig]

I don't buy the style of play argument. The game was more open in the 60s and 70s, which was the first golden age for big men.

I blame bad coaching and Magic Johnson.

whats the use of a big man when you have a point guard that can go the length of the court in 4 or 5 seconds?

 

[Rich Spirit]

 

[Malta]

McHale made it known he was coaching Ebi tho. A small forward can have a post game too.

And Bynum's back to the basket game wasn't that raw when he came into the NBA. He just needed, and still needs more IMO, some refinement.

Some of these bigs don't even have fundamentals down like how their feet should be positioned. These guys need to get the basics down before they hit the nba, and maybe before college because many of these "elite" coaches don't do a good job at developing bigs either.

Ebi was like 190lbs though breh, Big Drum is 279lbs, it's too different types of clay he'd be working with.

Bynum's back to the basket game was raw, he just was bigger than everyone else in HS, and even there his stats weren't that impressive.

I agree with you on the fundamentals, and I'd say it's most. These dudes don't even know where to catch the ball or how to repost, it makes no sense really. That's also why I maintain that the next great big man we see, will probably be from Europe or it'll be some kid who was a rugged undersized PF that had a late growth spurt. Example would be if Jared Sullinger was more athletic, and grew to 7"0 from his senior year in HS to his sophomore year in OSU. It's bound to happen, just a matter of when.

the style of the game has done this. its a more open floor style of play which basically lends a hand to perimeter players. all you need to be is 7 ft and be able to rebound and you can have a job in the league now.


kinda sad. i miss the dominant big men in the post.

The game was played at a faster pace 20 years ago and centers still managed to eat. I think the game is moving more towards perimeter play because of the lack of big men, not because the rules are making them less effective. The Lakers are a perfect example, post play still matters and big men that can score with high percentage shots around the rim are tough to deal with.

 

[Loose]

at nikkas expecting durant to play back2thebasket in the post. , he needs to work on midpost as well as lowerbody strength before he do all that.

 

[Malta]

The thought process that went into doing that on the fly, and the ability to move your feet like that at his size just wasn't fair.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Drob is one of the Top 10 best defensive players of all time. And he got destroyed

You just can't guard dream straight up, even if you had an all time great defender on him

 

[killacal]

Can you imagine if dream picked up basketball as a kid

The big man position is dying and its aau's fault. I remember Jeremy Tyler being projected number one overall in the draft, cuz he was a 10th grade big man who played with his back to the basket. Then his aau coach starts talking about making him a 3 ala tmac and he regress. Fast forward 3 yrs later hes drafted 44th overall and gets no burn on the Warriors

 

[dantheman9758]

at nikkas expecting durant to play back2thebasket in the post. , he needs to work on midpost as well as lowerbody strength before he do all that.

There aint nothin physically holdin back Durant in comparison to McHale.... If that skeleton can dominate in the post vs Barkley and Malone Durant can do it in this league. Both 6-9 to 6-10 w/o shoes, both 7-4 wingspans (Durant actually got 7-4.75 wingspan), both are on lanky 210-220lb frames. McHale is proof that skill > athleticism in the low post every time. Barkley was about as strong as they get in the low block, and Barkley said McHale was the most unguardable player he ever played against. People in this era worry about havin that "NBA body" - thats only a relatively recent trend in the league. McHale skinny ass would prob slither right around todays meatheads. I think KD could do the same if he wanted to learn how he don't need to pack on weight to learn how to fake people out of they shoes - only thing u need to do what McHale did is practice and repeat - gotta have good balance and a quick mind too tho, if theres one physical trait he had to pull that off its good balance

 

[Texas2step]

oh my bad - u dont think they skills in the block is comparable? From what I see they both look like the top two most advanced low-post scorers in history - the way they fake the crap out of u and lay down countermove on top of countermove until u bite look worthy of comparison to me - I wasn't referrin to h2h matchups, they didn't go at it 1 on 1 often enough during games - they both are murder on the block is all im tryna say

Well I read your thread wrong because I thought you was asking who had better moves and IMO it's Hakeem no contest

 

[dantheman9758]

Well I read your thread wrong because I thought you was asking who had better moves and IMO it's Hakeem no contest

U think it no contest? I think Hakeems look a bit prettier cause hes more smooth in movement but I dunno bout it bein no contest - Mchales awkward sh*t look equally unpredictable and impossible to defend - McHale's slippery eel repertoir look just as advanced / effective down there - or am I bein crazy?

 

[Texas2step]

U think it no contest? I think Hakeems look a bit prettier cause hes more smooth in movement but I dunno bout it bein no contest - Mchales awkward sh*t look impossible to defend - McHale look just as advanced / effective down there - or am I bein crazy?

Breh it was more than just pretty, it was effective enough to carry a whole team of role players to 2 championships. Hakeem didn't have the luxury to play with muti HOFers and All Star players, He was doing all of this mostly against double teams while also dominated on the other end of the court

Just an example: As soon as he touches the ball he goes to work often beating the double team

Hakeem Olajuwon 41 points vs. Jazz - YouTube