I was rooting for him the whole time. Winter Soldier isn't on that same level because he's being controlled and manipulated; Fassbender's magneto is all his own and just wrecking shop
Marvel has yet to make a formidable villian
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I was rooting for him the whole time. Winter Soldier isn't on that same level because he's being controlled and manipulated; Fassbender's magneto is all his own and just wrecking shop
I don't cyber stalk people so I have no clue what your standard opinions are in every thread that you post in and I am not going to go searching to find out either, I am just going by how you are in cape mode in this particular thread.You focused on RT as if I didn't mention this board too. And you just did it again.
And actually know who you're talking to before you start making baseless accusations.
I'm on record outright calling "Ironman 3" trash. I called "Captain America: The First Avenger" ass just last week. Called "Thor" garbage too. The only 3 Marvel movies I've praised is "The Avengers", "The Winter Soldier" and "GoTG". I've also said "The Dark Knight" is better than any MCU movie. Any of this is easily found with the Search function.
But I'm an MCU stan though.
So what the fukk are you talking about? It's not that I can't accept it, I don't give enough of a fukk to care either way. That should've been abundantly clear when I said "the general mood from our side is"....but again, anybody that disagrees or even shows indifference to your opinion is labeled a stan. You cats are zealots with the shyt.
Fred.
I also didn't ignore the part about the GOTG thread on the board but there is a 40+ thread for every Marvel movie so what point is driven home by even bringing that up. The part of your initial post that stood out was the bit where you were trying to say that the Marvel movie villains couldn't be subpar because these movies make bank and are critically acclaimed. That was such a ridiculous statement that it overshadowed everything else and seemed most in need off a response.
And the criticism of Marvel's villains has been something that has cropped up on this board before so this thread is not the first time it has happened so even if the majority opinion here is all love for Marvel's movies that doesn't change the fact that some people have a legit criticism as far as Marvel's bad guys are concerned.
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But ASM 2 is allegedly garbage so i guess that doesnt count
thought it was on par with winter soldier
which I thought both are 2 of the best comic book movies
(up there with dark knight and dark knight rises, id have to think about what would round out my top 5 
)mafukkas rather watch spider man 2 over amazing spider man 2 just shows me people like what they watch first and not whats better
sidenote: I really wish I could remove the 1st 3 spider man movies from my memory they were fukking horrible
edit: what I mean by those movies being so high on my list, I dunno.. either the movies are too boring to me (batman begins), too corny for me (iron man 2/3.. which I dont think are bad, but arent great either), and I just act like movies like Cat Women and Dare Devil dont exist
How was The Winter Soldier not formidable?He gave every main character that work(critically wounded 3) over the course of the film and was imposing throughout
Because... ONE, he wasn't the MAIN VILLAIN... Robert Redford's character was, and that character was so lame that I done even remember that character's NAME.
2ND, he was BARELY IN IT!! Like 10 minutes of movie time he was in that 2 hour PLUS film! He BARELY even spoken like 5 lines total in the ENTIRE film. Yes, he had POTENTIAL and MARVEL tried to highlight him as "that dude".. but lets be serious here, this movie would of went EXACTLY how it went without him even in it at all, and he was barely in it to begin with anyway.
3RD and last.... You cannot be a VILLAIN and a VICTIM at the same time. He was being brainwashed and USED. Not only that Captain America HELD BACK. Even Black Widow was holding her own well against Winter Soldier. Not to diminish the film itself, because it was dope AF, but seriously... if the BEST Marvel could do was THAT then they are seriously hurting in true formidable villains
Don't forget, but Kevin Bacon's Sebastian Shaw was a GREAT main villain in that movie too. But I STILL getby the way Magneto kills him!
Breh that movie made me a Magneto fan. I'd pay good money to see him in his solo flick. Kevin Bacon was dope too though, very smarmy and smug
A hero is only as good as their villain. When the odds are stacked, impressively, against them it makes the hero's victory that much more meaningful.
Like seeing how much of a bodmon Zod was in the last Superman, then watching Supes have to push his morale boundaries to defeat him.
Or in Legend of Korra: Changes. The new airbender Zaheer is so intelligent, you almost sympathize with his cause. Watching him in action, your on the edge of your seat thinking this guy can actually best the good guys, forcing them to fight harder.
It's more entertaining to watch someone snatch Victory from the Jaws of Defeat if it's a shark instead of a goldfish.
I'd love to see The Hood and/or Dormammu in the Dr.Strange flick.
Taskmaster would be sick too, toss him up against Black Panther.
Taskmaster would be sick too, toss him up against Black Panther.
Normally I would agree with this point but these are PG-13 movies. Victory is guaranteed either way.
There's no way in hell DC or Marvel is going to let a villain triumph more than briefly, let alone kill a major character. Not permanently anyway. So it's all window dressing.
So yeah, The Joker is obviously 100x better than....let's say Ronan....but neither Batman nor The Guardians Of The Galaxy were ever in any real danger. They just took a more scenic route with The Joker, to the same destination.
Fred.
You came in here talking out your ass, throwing around the stan card. You don't need to cyber stalk me, I'm telling you point blank you don't know what the fukk you're talking about. And that's easily proven via a simple Search, which you refuse to do because you're trying to save face.
Nice deflection attempt though.
Fred.
And that's what kills me about superhero movies...I enjoy them, but I can't REALLY enjoy them if I thought the heroes were in any real danger; X-men is gonna have to break the trend and have Apocalypse WIN in the movie to set up the next flick in the Age of Apocalypse...they have to do this and it will revolutionize comic book movies...the producers, Fox, Singer need to buck the trend in 2 years.
I agree. The hero always wins, that's how the story goes. But it's entertaining to see "how the hero will pull this one off". It's more interesting when the villain outmatches the hero, a la Bats v. Bane.
That's why the villain is so important, you believe they are going to win and your thrown into dispair with the hero. I've begun rooting for villains and antiheroes cause at least its something different or entertaining.
The hero always winning is boring. Kind of represents the triumph of the established order if you want to get philosophical.
Yes! I'd love to see a movie end with the Villain winning. Then part two can be the Hero's Return and all that. But the shock and awe of "damn, they actually lost" would be almost refreshing. They touched on this in Days of Future Past.
Exactly. the Apocalypse storyline has to be done in 2 parts anyway. He wins, Age of Apocalypse begins at the end of X-Men: Apocalypse. X-Men Apocalypse 2, set for 2018, would be set 10 years after the AOA has started and the mutants are forming a revolution to bring down En Sabah Nur...
but that initial shock of Apocalypse winning would BLOW THE BOX OFFICE UP and have comic fans everywhere happier then ever. They gotta take the chance