Marvel has yet to make a formidable villian

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Fassabender‘s Magneto is more of a hero considering he was fighting alongside X for the majority of the 2 films he was in. He never really crossed villainy and falls more into the anti hero if anything.

Now if he were to rip Wolverine's adamantium out or build Asteroid M...:sas2:

But that's too much to ask for since the films will always be PG-13
 

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I agree. The hero always wins, that's how the story goes. But it's entertaining to see "how the hero will pull this one off". It's more interesting when the villain outmatches the hero, a la Bats v. Bane.

That's why the villain is so important, you believe they are going to win and your thrown into dispair with the hero. I've begun rooting for villains and antiheroes cause at least its something different or entertaining.

The hero always winning is boring. Kind of represents the triumph of the established order if you want to get philosophical.

:manny:

Neither answer is wrong, and that's why I said normally I'd agree. But I don't foresee them ever rolling the dice on a PG-13 comic book movie. Not in any meaningful way, so it's neither here nor there for me personally. Your mileage may vary.

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Exactly. the Apocalypse storyline has to be done in 2 parts anyway. He wins, Age of Apocalypse begins at the end of X-Men: Apocalypse. X-Men Apocalypse 2, set for 2018, would be set 10 years after the AOA has started and the mutants are forming a revolution to bring down En Sabah Nur...

but that initial shock of Apocalypse winning would BLOW THE BOX OFFICE UP and have comic fans everywhere happier then ever. They gotta take the chance

:blessed: It would be glorious.
 

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Man I don't know why the violence is so tame in these PG-13 movies but then you turn on NBC and "Hannibal" is dumbing the fukk out with violence most R rated movies would be :whoa: about.

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Normally I would agree with this point but these are PG-13 movies. Victory is guaranteed either way.

There's no way in hell DC or Marvel is going to let a villain triumph more than briefly, let alone kill a major character. Not permanently anyway. So it's all window dressing.

So yeah, The Joker is obviously 100x better than....let's say Ronan....but neither Batman nor The Guardians Of The Galaxy were ever in any real danger. They just took a more scenic route with The Joker, to the same destination.

Fred.

Yet, that's exactly what happened in TDK.
 

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Because... ONE, he wasn't the MAIN VILLAIN... Robert Redford's character was, and that character was so lame that I done even remember that character's NAME.

2ND, he was BARELY IN IT!! Like 10 minutes of movie time he was in that 2 hour PLUS film! He BARELY even spoken like 5 lines total in the ENTIRE film. Yes, he had POTENTIAL and MARVEL tried to highlight him as "that dude".. but lets be serious here, this movie would of went EXACTLY how it went without him even in it at all, and he was barely in it to begin with anyway.

3RD and last.... You cannot be a VILLAIN and a VICTIM at the same time. He was being brainwashed and USED. Not only that Captain America HELD BACK. Even Black Widow was holding her own well against Winter Soldier. Not to diminish the film itself, because it was dope AF, but seriously... if the BEST Marvel could do was THAT then they are seriously hurting in true formidable villains

:mjpls:

when their is a conspiracy and the enemy is a multi level organization, its not going to be defined by ONE main villain. This aint no batman vs. joker shyt. It's bigger than that. HYDRA was the main villain and the way they infiltrated SHIELD for decades shows how powerful it really was. Redford and Bucky were pawns. Just like in Guardians, Ronan was an antagonist. He was a villain but not in the since you want it to be. Marvel has always been about the infinity stones. And most of Marvels movies have easter eggs and sub plots pertaining to them. THANOS is the main villain in the marvel universe. It's not like DC where everything is laid out nice and neat, with ONE villain and ONE hero and that's it.

This is chess not checkers.
 

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when their is a conspiracy and the enemy is a multi level organization, its not going to be defined by ONE main villain. This aint no batman vs. joker shyt. It's bigger than that. HYDRA was the main villain and the way they infiltrated SHIELD for decades shows how powerful it really was. Redford and Bucky were pawns. Just like in Guardians, Ronan was an antagonist. He was a villain but not in the since you want it to be. Marvel has always been about the infinity stones. And most of Marvels movies have easter eggs and sub plots pertaining to them. THANOS is the main villain in the marvel universe. It's not like DC where everything is laid out nice and neat, with ONE villain and ONE hero and that's it.

This is chess not checkers.

Redford wasn't a "pawn"... he was the main villain of the film. point. blank. PERIOD. You cannot spin it from that fact. He was THE MAIN ANTAGONIST in the movie.
 

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Redford wasn't a "pawn"... he was the main villain of the film. point. blank. PERIOD. You cannot spin it from that fact. He was THE MAIN ANTAGONIST in the movie.

So what could Redford have done better? He was working as a spy the whole time so he was presumed a hero/good guy for most of the movie. Was Redford the president of HYDRA? He wasn't the main antagonist. In a spy movie where you don't know who to trust how can you have a main villain. In Mission Impossible John Voight and his wife was behind everything but you thought his wife was good for the whole damn movie and Voight didn't show up again until the end.
 

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So what could Redford have done better? He was working as a spy the whole time so he was presumed a hero/good guy for most of the movie. Was Redford the president of HYDRA? He wasn't the main antagonist. In a spy movie where you don't know who to trust how can you have a main villain. In Mission Impossible John Voight and his wife was behind everything but you thought his wife was good for the whole damn movie and Voight didn't show up again until the end.

:snoop: This isn't no Miranda Tate who suddenly in a lame twist near the end turns out to be Talia al Ghul. It was made KNOWN even BEFORE the film that he'll be the main antagonist. People were hoping he would of end up being the Red Skull instead of some lame head for Hydra. It wasn't even a secret in the FILM itself.. did you even PAY ATTENTION to the movie or had such a hard-on for Marvel that you basically glossed over everything and just wanted to see some action? Talking about he was presumed a "hero/good guy" for most of the movie when he was the MAIN ONE that was trying to kill Captain America. Stop it ALREADY.

Next thing you're going to tell me is Jeff Bridges' Ironmonger wasn't the "main villain", because he was led on most of the film as Tony Stark partner/mentor. :comeon:
 

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And yet...osborne killed the fukk out of gwen and lived on for another day...so....you are wrong. :upsetfavre:

Oh word Gwen Stacy is a major character, the same as if Spider-Man himself died, huh? :stopitslime:

I bet you were in tears when Rachel Dawes died in "The Dark Knight" too, huh? :stopitslime:

:camby:

That's like getting gassed that Uncle Ben died. You know what I mean by "main character". Batman, not Lucius Fox or Alfred. Spider-Man, not Mary Jane or Gwen.

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If that was the case, then you can say that Disney was brave enough to kill off Agent Coulson in the MCU :sas1:

:mjlol: at killing off Rachel Dawes being the equivalent of killing off Batman
 
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Oh word Gwen Stacy is a major character, the same as if Spider-Man himself died, huh? :stopitslime:

I bet you were in tears when Rachel Dawes died in "The Dark Knight" too, huh? :stopitslime:

:camby:

That's like getting gassed that Uncle Ben died. You know what I mean by "main character". Batman, not Lucius Fox or Alfred. Spider-Man, not Mary Jane or Gwen.

Fred.
The night gwen stacey died is one of the biggest moments in comic history..and is integral to WHY goblin is formidable and a threat. He WILL KILL you. nobody in the disney films does anything to truly prove a threat to their opponents...it takes away from the heroism of the heroes
 
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