Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[Bryan Danielson]

Wow.

 

[MidniteJay]

Wow.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Bruh .... see I be minding my own business and shyt

 

[MidniteJay]

Bruh .... see I be minding my own business and shyt

 

[wire28]

I can hear that but it all reeks of “how dare this old man not like what I love” when in reality, who cares? I get Scorsese is who he is and his opinion holds weight in the larger scope of film, but if you love something and someone else doesn’t, so the fukk what?

The internet, and the larger film world as a whole, looks for validation entirely too much. If you think guardians of the galaxy or infinity war is the greatest thing since edible thongs, then feel that shyt and say it with your chest.

Someone they look up to disagreeing shouldn’t change that or make anyone feel less secure about their opinions. That’s the wildest part about this whole shyt to me

All I hear is an old man mad that the things have moved on without him. Marvel didn’t start this and marvel won’t be the end of it. Hollywood was catering to the masses before Marty and they will be after. The only common denominator is he has been relegated from his preferred medium

I’d argue the beginning of this was Marty looking for validation in the first place

 

[AnonymityX1000]

That's nothing like guns to the dome-the world is ending and making wise cracks throughout the entire scene.. stop it! Yes Tommy(Pesci) later got popped for the Billy Batts incident but they were under no pressure or any threat at the time when they had Batts in the trunk, during the dinner scene, and while they buried him. You're reaching! And the majority of TDK did work. What are you even talking about? I normally love Marvel. I grew up and collected their comics.. Fantastic Four especially. I just didn't like the switch up to comedic routines under pressure that they're doing in the movies now. Spiderman always talked shyt no matter what but that was as far as if goes from all the comics I read. You disagree fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I just think that bringing up the Goodfellas-Batts scene is a bad example

Is this really how it is in Marvel flicks or are you exaggerating? They may say some one liners like most action movies throughout all history but 'throughout the entire scene' is not accurate and also a reach.

 

[Jello Biafra]

You know what? The more time away I have from watchmen the less I like it. I think Snyder was so stuck on recreating the look and feel of it that he forgot to convey what it means. If that means anything.

Like the tv show understood what the comic book meant. It took its themes and applied them rather than just throwing them against the wall and hoping they stick. Not recreating watchmen seems to be the best way to truly nail the tone of the comic and what it’s larger points are.

I still like it, but it's insane how faithful the adaptation was as far as bringing the panels to picture...while still completely missing the point and essence of the source material. The show did that much better by far and the team responsible for it will be doing Blade for Marvel which is a good sign.

I honestly don't think either the movie or the TV show actually got it. I like both but Watchmen was a deconstruction of comic books and superheroes that was influenced by a lot of the Reagan/Thatcher politics of the 1980s. It was never intended to be adapted in other mediums and the way Moore constructed the comic was always going to make it tough to do anyway. The actual Big Mystery was pretty much a McGuffin with the main thrust of the book being the structure of the story Moore wrote and the way Gibbons drew it. That can't be translated from the page to the screen without losing almost everything that made the comic what it was.

The Watchmen movie succeeded by being as close to a visual adaptation as I think any movie ever could've been but it missed almost every point of Moore's story and instead leaned into Snyder's own nihilistic viewpoints.

The Watchmen TV show got the structure of the book by including little nuggets of info in small details of dialogue and visuals but doesn't really understand what the comic meant because the comic was always laser focused on deconstructing comic book super-heroes. The Watchmen TV show hit many themes successfully but none of them really had anything to do with the original Watchmen comic.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Is this really how it is in Marvel flicks or are you exaggerating? They may say some one liners like most action movies throughout all history but 'throughout the entire scene' is not accurate and also a reach.

Beginning of age of ultron they are all wise cracking while in battle, if that's an example you are looking for..

Yall really think you are going to change Marty's legacy ?

Goodfellas, casino, Taxi Driver etc. Been in rotation since they were released..

Goodfellas been on TV everyday since 1990.

It's always going to be that way.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Beginning of age of ultron they are all wise cracking while in battle, if that's an example you are looking for..

Yall really think you are going to change Marty's legacy ?

Goodfellas, casino, Taxi Driver etc. Been in rotation since they were released..

Goodfellas been on TV everyday since 1990.

It's always going to be that way.

They are fighting humans with guns, there was no threat to them. It's not a life threatening, world is about to end scenario.
No one is talking about Marty's legacy follow the conversation. He's just being extra about times changing in an unfavorable manner according to him. His movies got nothing to do with that.

 

[hex]

He's just being extra about times changing in an unfavorable manner according to him. His movies got nothing to do with that.

This.

Cats in here talking about "but Scorsese is the GOAT!"....cool. He still ain't had a hit movie since like 2012 which is another reason he's running into issues. Also, like I said damn near a year ago, he seemingly has no idea how to budget a movie now. Which is why Apples had to step in and save his latest project. Just like Netflix had to step in and save "The Irishman".

But nah....comic movies and algorithms.

Fred.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

There's been a rise the last decade in what I call shallow pretentiousness - where people are so insecure about "snobs" and their validation that they act like being shallow and having childish, simple taste in shyt actually makes them deeper because they "see the forest for the trees" and are "comfortable with themselves" or some other fake-deep bullshyt. And I think nerd culture with the obsession towards children's media becoming the dominant force for media has played a massive part of that.

That's how you get shyt like "The Winter Soldier is a 1970s political thriller" takes

 

[AnonymityX1000]

There's been a rise the last decade in what I call shallow pretentiousness - where people are so insecure about "snobs" and their validation that they act like being shallow and having childish, simple taste in shyt actually makes them deeper because they "see the forest for the trees" and are "comfortable with themselves" or some other fake-deep bullshyt. And I think nerd culture with the obsession towards children's media becoming the dominant force for media has played a massive part of that.

That's how you get shyt like "The Winter Soldier is a 1970s political thriller" takes

Not really, the film makers stated that's what they were going for, that's where that take comes from.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Not really, the film makers stated that's what they were going for, that's where that take comes from.

Touche, but people ran with it and parroted it without irony.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Touche, but people ran with it and parroted it without irony.

Maybe they just agreed.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Maybe they just agreed.

But that's my point.