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Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'
- Thread starter Jacaveli The Don
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THE GODDAMN BILLIONAIRE
I get what he's saying but it's the Genre that he's really at Loss with. This is Comic Book Movie, nothing that he knows anything about and these Movies are bound to be CGI Heavy.
These Movies do contain all sorts of Emotion that an Actor or Actress must express for the Sake of the Character to Connect with the Audience, Fans of the Character alone. He's Wrong about that part and just doesn't understand that, I feel like he just skimmed through that when giving this Statement.
These Movies do contain all sorts of Emotion that an Actor or Actress must express for the Sake of the Character to Connect with the Audience, Fans of the Character alone. He's Wrong about that part and just doesn't understand that, I feel like he just skimmed through that when giving this Statement.
That's the thing, saying bullshyt like there is not emotion or psychological experience within the films or that connectedness "cheapens" anything within the films just because he doesn't understand the genre is off base.
What the MCU has done is unprecedented, regardless of how people feel about it...Feige has literally brought comic books to LIFE, not just "comic book movies", but the actual feel and experience of being a comic book fan to the big screen and a big part of that experience is the content being episodic. And honestly, the immersion is only going to deepen as they get their TV deparment going and can make it even more comic-book like with being able to spend more time on character development.
Marvel had to use 'cinema' to get to where they are, but the real potential for their very best stuff is going to be in the TV format IMO.
I said black panther was a good movie
WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
I agree with him mostly because I know he knows more about cinema than myself. I can just tell, based on what little I do know, that marvel films aren’t good examples.
They’re poor examples of cinematography and more examples of special effects and post production work...
I liken these new Hollywood movies (not just Marvel) to the current state of pop music. They are bland, lifeless and lacking much effort. They use cgi and action to distract you from the reality that they are just watered down versions of previous stories. Older movies were much better than these newer ones. But this is only my humble opinion.
he is fukking riiiiight!!!
comic films..taking too much of our viewing!!!
but hey..this will breed the new generation to develop greater films..
comic films..taking too much of our viewing!!!
but hey..this will breed the new generation to develop greater films..
AnonymityX1000
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My thing isn't about that. Like I said don't like/hate them all you want but to act like you are doing something different is false.
WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
You saying martin’s films ain’t of a different breed compared to marvel?
All of cinema is an escapist magic trick to tell stories, even the Lars von Trier (and co) movies.
Goodfellas isn't far from a stylized comic book version of how that shyt really went down.
Marty's one of the gawds but singling out any genre of style is bound to be bullshyt. His comments are on the same level as that dumb ass thread in here about Joker being "the worst thing to happen to the DCEU".
There's great comic book movies that excel in visual and audio. There's great CGI. There's great and significant storytelling in comic book movies...WHEN DONE RIGHT, just like anything else.
Goodfellas isn't far from a stylized comic book version of how that shyt really went down.
Marty's one of the gawds but singling out any genre of style is bound to be bullshyt. His comments are on the same level as that dumb ass thread in here about Joker being "the worst thing to happen to the DCEU".
There's great comic book movies that excel in visual and audio. There's great CGI. There's great and significant storytelling in comic book movies...WHEN DONE RIGHT, just like anything else.
NobodyReally
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You know the more I think about this, the more it sounds like bullshyt. I still remember sitting through Scorcee's "Silence" thinking how overwrought and self-involved it was. It was like the extreme opposite of vacant theme park fun; it was the party guest who thinks he's so important and smart he lacks the self-awareness to realize people get what he's talking about, they just don't like the way he's talking to them.
A lot of what I’m going to say has probably been said but:
Marty is right to an extent. Not every comic book flick is reaching for deep emotional connection and won’t meet his definition of cinema. This is a guy who grew up on Lawrence of Arabia and the bridge on the river kwai. The movies of the 50s and 60s, specifically his influences, spoke a different language. And on the real? He’s earned the right to state his opinion on film in any way he wants to. His context of cinema isn’t the same as everyone else’s because of his generation.
On the flip side, movies like black panther or the dark knight or endgame or guardians contradict his point. They’re all about the human condition and emotions between characters and exploring how people relate to each other and differ and human conflict, not big bombastic conflict.
That said, I’m not getting my boxers in a bunch over it. The man is entitled to his opinion and that shyt doesn’t affect me either way. Has there been any comic book movie I’d put on the same level of goodfellas or taxi driver or raging bull? Nah. But that doesn’t mean they have any less value or aren’t dope. In the end, it’s how he feels and it is what it is. Let him cook
Marty is right to an extent. Not every comic book flick is reaching for deep emotional connection and won’t meet his definition of cinema. This is a guy who grew up on Lawrence of Arabia and the bridge on the river kwai. The movies of the 50s and 60s, specifically his influences, spoke a different language. And on the real? He’s earned the right to state his opinion on film in any way he wants to. His context of cinema isn’t the same as everyone else’s because of his generation.
On the flip side, movies like black panther or the dark knight or endgame or guardians contradict his point. They’re all about the human condition and emotions between characters and exploring how people relate to each other and differ and human conflict, not big bombastic conflict.
That said, I’m not getting my boxers in a bunch over it. The man is entitled to his opinion and that shyt doesn’t affect me either way. Has there been any comic book movie I’d put on the same level of goodfellas or taxi driver or raging bull? Nah. But that doesn’t mean they have any less value or aren’t dope. In the end, it’s how he feels and it is what it is. Let him cook
Talking outta your ass with that oneTruth , the only good Marvel movies were the first Iron Man and Black Panther. The rest of them werestatus
richaveli83
Veteran
All films are entertainment. Doesn't matter if it's a film about men and women in tights fighting a genocidal purple alien, a billionaire man child with PTSD dressing up as a bat, a western, a black man dressing like a stereotypical, feisty, old church going black woman, a world war 2 movie, a movie about drug dealers in the hood, a movie about the Italian or Irish mob, etc. A lot of superhero movies, DC and Marvel, are forgettable but it's a form of escapism for a couple of hours. Watching Goodfellas, The Departed, Raging Bull, etc is escapism.
The Wolf Among You
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Bullshyt elitism. It’s all cinema, but all cinema is not made equally. Scorsese movies are probably better than the entire MCU, but is that because of genre or because Scorsese is just a much better filmmaker than those who directed MCU films? I’d say the latter.