Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

But aint nobody upset but his old bitter ass.

He's not upset. HE was asked a question. He gave an opinion. The people upset are you and the other handful of dummies who can't appreciate fine cinema

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

But cats came in the thread on some "he hates the MCU" l

How about the Marvel cats who took it to heart ?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Let me also point out that The Irishman woulda got that studio gwap if he had cast Leo, Matt Damon and Brad Pitt instead of De Niro, Pacino and Pesci and the added budget of the de-aging process. But since he's being loyal to the dudes he worked with his entire career and is friends with, he gets the shaft? fukk that.

Shouldn't he aim his bitterness @ movie studio execs and not other movies? That's what we are complaining about.

 

[BXKingPin82]

He's not upset. HE was asked a question. He gave an opinion. The people upset are you and the other handful of dummies who can't appreciate fine cinema

its over.
just let it go.
make a snack or something.

only ones calling names but WE in our feelings.

Trump got yall outa control.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

its over.
just let it go.
make a snack or something.

only ones calling names but WE in our feelings.

Trump got yall outa control.

Trump I'm as left as it gets on here..... grasping at straws now huh lol

 

[BXKingPin82]

Because it’s true

like a moth to flame they swarm to anything with a whiff of marvel scent to voice their displeasure, usually (and ironically) bordering on psychiatric levels of delusion and obsession like Phoenix’s Joker :megamarvel:

nikkas is
dummies
p*ssys
dorks

yeah...


feelings clearly caught.

:sadbagmj:

 

[ThirdAct]

Shouldn't he aim his bitterness @ movie studio execs and not other movies? That's what we are complaining about.

Might as well aim the bitterness at the type of movies the studios are making instead of they are making instead of his movie. Might as well aim it at Marvel Studios, because they are ones who changed the industry.


And again, it's partly that, but more because he's an old school film nerd. Old school film nerds are gonna talk shyt about modern movies. Do you know how many French New Wave and indie directors bashed the shyt out of Spielberg because they thought he was too commercial?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Might as well aim the bitterness at the type of movies the studios are making instead of they are making instead of his movie. Might as well aim it at Marvel Studios, because they are ones who changed the industry.


And again, it's partly that, but more because he's an old school film nerd. Old school film nerds are gonna talk shyt about modern movies. Do you know how many French New Wave and indie directors bashed the shyt out of Spielberg because they thought he was too commercial?

Er OK, I think that's called jealousy add that to the bitterness he is feeling. lol
Those French New Wave indie director's were out of touch and wrong to.

 

[ThirdAct]

Er OK, I think that's called jealousy add that to the bitterness he is feeling. lol
Those French New Wave indie director's were out of touch and wrong to.

With anyone else, I'd agree with you 100% - but it's not anyone else. It's Martin Scorsese. He has a right to be bitter because he's Martin fukking Scorsese. He's not a fading legend, either, like Coppola or someone like that - you know, someone who made great films in the 70's but then fell off. Scorsese has made masterpiece level films every GODDAMN DECADE since the 70's! He's literally put out great films for every decade for fifty years: 70's - Mean Streets, Taxi Driver 80's - Raging Bull, King of Comedy, After Hours - 90's - Goodfellas, Casino, Bringing out the Dead 00's - The Aviator, The Departed 10's - Wolf of Wall Street and The Irishman (I've seen it, btw - it's really good, but were you expecting anything less?). Can you name any other director who has a half-century of consistency like him besides maybe Spielberg, Kubrick and Kurosawa? So, despite this amazing filmography, truly one of the greatest runs in film history EVER, the studio goes - "Nope, Marty, your new flick isn't following current trends, so we can't help you." And that's that? shyt, I'd be pissed too. Understand that Scorsese comes from the 70's auteur era - the decade when the film-makers called the shots while the studio heads got out of their way.

And his point on blockbusters remains - the more studio heads call the shots about what goes and what doesn't, the more the creativity of story-telling dies. The humanity is sucked out until it's an empty thrill...just like a theme park ride.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

With anyone else, I'd agree with you 100% - but it's not anyone else. It's Martin Scorsese. He has a right to be bitter because he's Martin fukking Scorsese. He's not a fading legend, either, like Coppola or someone like that - you know, someone who made great films in the 70's but then fell off. Scorsese has made masterpiece level films every GODDAMN DECADE since the 70's! He's literally put out great films for every decade for fifty years: 70's - Mean Streets, Taxi Driver 80's - Raging Bull, King of Comedy, After Hours - 90's - Goodfellas, Casino, Bringing out the Dead 00's - The Aviator, The Departed 10's - Wolf of Wall Street and The Irishman (I've seen it, btw - it's really good, but were you expecting anything less?). Can you name any other director who has a half-century of consistency like him besides maybe Spielberg, Kubrick and Kurosawa? So, despite this amazing filmography, truly one of the greatest runs in film history EVER, the studio goes - "Nope, Marty, your new flick isn't following current trends, so we can't help you." And that's that? shyt, I'd be pissed too. Understand that Scorsese comes from the 70's auteur era - the decade when the film-makers called the shots while the studio heads got out of their way.

And his point on blockbusters remains - the more studio heads call the shots about what goes and what doesn't, the more the creativity of story-telling dies. The humanity is sucked out until it's an empty thrill...just like a theme park ride.

Yes, he's a great film maker but no he isn't owed a budget and release date, never was. He wanted a blockbuster budget ($160 million) for a period piece starring older actors the general audience could give two shyts about now. It would have to make $320 million to even break even. It's not a smart play in 2019. You and him need to wake up and smell the kush. The only reason he needed that budget is for de-aging tech. He could have just used younger actors but no he is too good for that I guess. He is really reading his own press clippings and has an inflated sense of self in 2019. It's pompous, ugly and unappealing not justified.

 

[YakSpiller]

 

[ThirdAct]

Yes, he's a great film maker but no he isn't owed a budget and release date, never was. He wanted a blockbuster budget ($160 million) for a period piece starring older actors the general audience could give two shyts about now. It would have to make $320 million to even break even. It's not a smart play in 2019. You and him need to wake up and smell the kush. The only reason he needed that budget is for de-aging tech. He could have just used younger actors but no he is too good for that I guess. He is really reading his own press clippings and has an inflated sense of self in 2019. It's pompous, ugly and unappealing not justified.

Who else would he have picked in those roles, though? I could see Leo in the De Niro role perhaps but I can't think of any young Italian actors to fit the Pacino and Pesci roles. Both Pacino and Pesci are great in the film, btw - Pacino will 100% get an Oscar nom for his performance. I dunno if Pesci will but he deserves it. The movie in general will likely get multiple Oscar noms. It will be a big Oscar movie (100% on RT currently) and the studios made a huge mistake not seeing that. Oscar movies usually do decent at the box office. On top of all that, Scorsese earned the good will from having two huge hits this decade alone (Shutter Island and Wolf of Wall Street) on top of being a great filmmaker. So for those reasons, he is deserved that.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Who else would he have picked in those roles, though? I could see Leo in the De Niro role perhaps but I can't think of any young Italian actors to fit the Pacino and Pesci roles. Both Pacino and Pesci are great in the film, btw - Pacino will 100% get an Oscar nom for his performance. I dunno if Pesci will but he deserves it. The movie in general will likely get multiple Oscar noms. It will be a big Oscar movie (100% on RT currently) and the studios made a huge mistake not seeing that. Oscar movies usually do decent at the box office. On top of all that, Scorsese earned the good will from having two huge hits this decade alone (Shutter Island and Wolf of Wall Street) on top of being a great filmmaker. So for those reasons, he is deserved that.

I don't know, I didn't see it. And huge hits are a stretch, they turned a profit is more like it. And most Oscar movie fair isn't as expensive as this movie so again it is a bad bet for the studio. And the theaters are not interested either.

 

[ThirdAct]

I don't know, I didn't see it. And huge hits are a stretch, they turned a profit is more like it. And most Oscar movie fair isn't as expensive as this movie so again it is a bad bet for the studio. And the theaters are not interested either.

Nah, they were big hits - especially since they were both R-Rated movies.

Not saying Irishman woulda been broken box office records or anything, but I think it would have made its budget back at the very least. There's too much prestige on it for it to not be successful. Legendary director + legendary actors + great reviews = a lot of people would see it. Studios shouldn't think solely about what's gonna make them the most money possible, anyway. They should also think about making great movies that are gonna stand the test of time, and considering the reviews The Irishman is getting, it's gonna be one.

 

[FlyRy]

Look, how many careers are being propped up by Marvel right now? how many of these people will still be around after they have exhausted the 2nd and 3rd phases. Even ScarJo was on her way out before black widow, had Emily Blunt not pulled out she might be a TV actress right now. That's the point. You guys can say he's salty or whatever, but the Marvel Universe plays directly into the franchise over face model of movies. It's turned the film industry into fast food. It was't even this bad during the studio system. How many of these actors are a Pitt, Smith, DeNiro, DiCaprio, Clooney, Roberts, Foster, Hanks, Goldberg, Streep, Blanchett, Washington? How many Marvel stories will be considered classics 10 yeras from now and not in the dollar isle at the grocery store or Walmart?

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