Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[ThirdAct]

I think you need to look up the word unique. lol Hopefully, they didn't use 'Gimme Shelter' in the score.
American Hustle is a well received movie.
Most director's say it is a pleasure working @ Marvel Studios not that they are under a fist. You just made that up. And when he was doing studio movies Marty wasn't under the fist of the studio ever? How convenient.
Not saying anything like that just giving you reasons why he isn't getting green lit. They moved on to younger talent willing to make their art @ a lower budget and are also unique and original.

If you don't think his movies are unique then you're a fukking idiot. Goodfellas is probably the most unique gangster film ever made. Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, After Hours, Bringing out the Dead, etc. - highly original movies. Some of his gangster movies after Goodfellas have followed a similar formula to Goodfellas, but they are still uniquely Scorsese and great fukking movies regardless. Lol "American hustle is a well received movie." Now you're just arguing to argue. American Hustle wishes it could hold any of Scorsese's movie's jock straps. shyt was aight but come on son it ain't fukkin with any Scorsese flicks.

Gimme Shelter? Cuz he used the same song a couple timesm that negates the entire film's uniqueness? Lolol fukk outta here. How about the writing, direction, editing, etc?

And they are under a fist cuz it's a massive corporation. Go ahead and tell me about Josh Trank's experiences with Marvel. You said as much in the post where you were talking about shareholder's interests being their primary concern. We almost found common ground there but now you're arguing again just to be a contrarian.

Not that good films can't be made there, they can, but Marvel will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER make a film as great as Goodfellas. In a million bajillion years.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I dunno, go ask them.

Oh I did. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what you're saying here. The problem is the Marvel cats ran in on the first page on the defensive on some "why don't he love me man " shyt and the rest is history...

 

[semicko82]

those movies are so bad, I feel like the everyone's lost their minds

grown men crying over kid's movies that look like shyt

You got grown men in their feelings over kid movies

 

[AnonymityX1000]

If you don't think his movies are unique then you're a fukking idiot. Goodfellas is probably the most unique gangster film ever made. Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, After Hours, Bringing out the Dead, etc. - highly original movies. Some of his gangster movies after Goodfellas have followed a similar formula to Goodfellas, but they are still uniquely Scorsese and great fukking movies regardless. Lol "American hustle is a well received movie." Now you're just arguing to argue. American Hustle wishes it could hold any of Scorsese's movie's jock straps. shyt was aight but come on son it ain't fukkin with any Scorsese flicks.

Gimme Shelter? Cuz he used the same song a couple timesm that negates the entire film's uniqueness? Lolol fukk outta here. How about the writing, direction, editing, etc?

And they are under a fist cuz it's a massive corporation. Go ahead and tell me about Josh Trank's experiences with Marvel. You said as much in the post where you were talking about shareholder's interests being their primary concern. We almost found common ground there but now you're arguing again just to be a contrarian.

Not that good films can't be made there, they can, but Marvel will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER make a film as great as Goodfellas. In a million bajillion years.

He has ganster movies that aren't unique from one another is what I'm saying. Heavy narration, similar story arcs (beginning of a lifestyle, the rise, the climax and the fall) and a lot of the same actors. And really taste is subjective, yes he has movies I think are better than American Hustle but he also has movies worse IMO.
And Marty also makes his movies with massive corporations. And despite that me made film gold, right? He's not the only one to do so, think of all the great movies that were not indie. The entire MCU is enjoyable to me, they overcame that as well.
Again, there is nothing difinitive about taste in movies. There are people who think a Marvel movie is better than Goodfellas. It is a minority opinion I'm sure but I'm sure people like that exist.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

14 pages later...:dayum:

Not even gonna speak on the "who posted" list

You can't seem to leave it alone either. lol

 

[ThirdAct]

He has ganster movies that aren't unique from one another is what I'm saying. Heavy narration, similar story arcs (beginning of a lifestyle, the rise, the climax and the fall) and a lot of the same actors. And really taste is subjective, yes he has movies I think are better than American Hustle but he also has movies worse IMO.
And Marty also makes his movies with massive corporations. And despite that me made film gold, right? He's not the only one to do so, think of all the great movies that were not indie. The entire MCU is enjoyable to me, they overcame that as well.
Again, there is nothing difinitive about taste in movies. There are people who think a Marvel movie is better than Goodfellas. It is a minority opinion I'm sure but I'm sure people like that exist.

They are still uniquely Scorsese films, though. No one can make those type of movies like him. Some of his other gangster movies have followed in the footsteps of Goodfellas, but that's only because he set the bar so high with it. Irregardless Casino and The Departed are still fukking excellent and unique in their own right. Also, The Irishman is a little different than those - a bit more contemplative.

Marty made movies with massive corporations but he still had leeway to do what he wanted to do. Pretty sure he had final cut on most of his films. The Marvel directors sure as hell don't have final cut.

And yeah, great films have been made in the studio system in the past, but those days seem to be dying. Take something like Fight Club - do you think a studio would let a movie like that be made today? Not in a million years. Say what you want about how it was a box office bomb, but who cares - it was great regardless and I'm glad it was made. That's my point. fukk these studio systems. More film-makers should be sneaking in and pitching offbeat shyt besides the same ol blockbusters every chance they get. When that happens, more unique fare gets put out into the world...even in the superhero realm with joints like Watchmen and Deadpool. Buck the system.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

They are still uniquely Scorsese films, though. No one can make those type of movies like him. Some of his other gangster movies have followed in the footsteps of Goodfellas, but that's only because he set the bar so high with it. Irregardless Casino and The Departed are still fukking excellent and unique in their own right. Also, The Irishman is a little different than those - a bit more contemplative.

Marty made movies with massive corporations but he still had leeway to do what he wanted to do. Pretty sure he had final cut on most of his films. The Marvel directors sure as hell don't have final cut.

And yeah, great films have been made in the studio system in the past, but those days seem to be dying. Take something like Fight Club - do you think a studio would let a movie like that be made today? Not in a million years. Say what you want about how it was a box office bomb, but who cares - it was great regardless and I'm glad it was made. That's my point. fukk these studio systems. More film-makers should be sneaking in and pitching offbeat shyt besides the same ol blockbusters every chance they get. When that happens, more unique fare gets put out into the world...even in the superhero realm with joints like Watchmen and Deadpool. Buck the system.

Yeah, and there are already plenty. Why spend $160+ million to make another one? Is that original? But I'm glad he got the Netflix deal. I will definitely watch.
Does final cut matter if the director says he enjoyed the experience and would like to continue working with a studio?
Why wouldn't they make a movie like Fight Club? It's a Rated R movie. lol
Hmm. . . that's interesting. You know what was original, unique and 'Bucked the System'? The MCU, interconnected movies hadn't been done in a long time and then with each modest success they were able to expand it to a studio player to a now behemoth overshadowing the entire movie landscape. What % of the success is owed to business and what is to art is a good debate.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The Irishman is a crime drama like Goodfellas is a crime drama but they are completely different stories based on different people. Are you really this slow?

 

[kwazzy100]

He’s still a good director, but he’s def not appealing to the masses.

Who the fukk cares about appealing to the masses? He makes thought provoking and artistic films that a lot of people want to see. He's eatin'

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

Who the fukk cares about appealing to the masses? He makes thought provoking and artistic films that a lot of people want to see. He's eatin'

the people who run the studios care. They’re in the business of making money. His movies don’t really make enough money to warrant the budgets he wants.

And again, it’s cool that his lane is high end art films. He doesn’t need to take shots at Marvel or special fx films.

 

[kwazzy100]

the people who run the studios care. They’re in the business of making money. His movies don’t really make enough money to warrant the budgets he wants.

Film studios also like Oscars and critical acclaim. Guys like Scorsese made plenty of films that are considered classic and people for generations will go back and watch it.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

Film studios also like Oscars and critical acclaim. Guys like Scorsese made plenty of films that are considered classic and people for generations will go back and watch it.

If that’s the case, why did he have to go to Netflix to get funding for his latest movie. Studios like Oscars, they also don’t like spending $150 million on films that aren’t going to make that production budget and advertising costs, hence why we gonna watch the Irishman on Netflix.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

The thread ended with that robert downey jr clip. "i mean it plays in theaters". LOL.


you literally left with insulting people because you're argument got blown out the water. you're whole argument was that Scorsese has a long resume so whatever he says is correct.

I never said everything he said was correct The fukk

I said ninjas hurt because of his status in the game... which is obvious. My argument didn’t get blown out of of nothing. I left the thread cause I got shyt to do.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

If that’s the case, why did he have to go to Netflix to get funding for his latest movie. Studios like Oscars, they also don’t like spending $150 million on films that aren’t going to make that production budget and advertising costs, hence why we gonna watch the Irishman on Netflix.

Why do you think Netflix threw him the bag? Because they want to be the talk of awards season. It's the same reason why they developed Marriage Story.

"Studios don't care about awards" is up there with quotes of the week

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

Why do you think Netflix threw him the bag? Because they want to be the talk of awards season. It's the same reason why they developed Marriage Story.

"Studios don't care about awards" is up there with quotes of the week

Netflix is hemorrhaging money. Netflix is trying to create enough original content so that they won’t be assed out when all the other studios pull their content and out it on their own streaming platform. Netflix is giving everyone bags. Netflix gave Adam Sandler a bag for an exclusive deal.

I guarantee you that the shareholders care way more about their films turning a profit than about winning awards. If that wasn’t true we wouldn’t have seen every other major studio try to emulate Disney and the MCU over the last 7 years.

WB tried with DC comics and the monsters universe.

Universal tried with the classic monster movie universe and the fast and furious universe.

lionsgate is trying to make John Wick into a universe.

And for like the millionth time this thread. Martin is a dope ass director, with classics. His classic movies that don’t star Leo DiCaprio tend to make less than $100 million domestic. If you give him $150 million to make a movie, you need to make around $300 million worldwide to break even. He has 2 films that have achieved that. Studios aren’t trying to give this man $150 million to make a movie and then spend another $100 million on advertising to not make a hefty sum.

also, how the hell you gonna misquote me directly under the quote? And then call it the quote of the week.