Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[AnonymityX1000]

Imagine trying to discredit Martin Scorcese in favor of films using Joss Whedon level quips for dialogue








Wait, that was actually attempted

You should quote who you are talking about. lol

 

[Zero]

You should qyote who you are talking about. lol

Whoops

 

[richaveli83]

Did Scorsese say anything new about this? Why is this thread getting so much attention again?

 

[Lootpack]

Rent.

Free.

 

[CarltonJunior]

Bro that's nonsense

Unless you're some film student, ALL films are made to generate profit because they cost time and money to be made

This shyt hasn't negatively impacted global pop culture because these stories have existed for DECADES in POP CULTURE and we're just finally getting to see the live action versions of them, and furthermore the stories were good then and many are considered classics in their own lanes.

And @winb83 of course there is a plan and endgame.....have you forgotten that half these properties didn't even belong to Marvel/Disney a decade ago and they're now trying to figure out how to integrate them into the greater story while still making something people would actually want to pay money to see or see period?

Dude's take was one of the worst takes I've seen on thecoli in any forum

The only reason hollywood even exists is generate profit. Dude's either a moron or the most naiive person in america

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Did Scorsese say anything new about this? Why is this thread getting so much attention again?

The amount of pages needed to be announced in case people couldn't read it.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

They’re obviously cinema the same as Justin Beiber’s songs are music...super hero movies are the pop music of the movie industry

I'm alright with this analogy as long as we're not denigrating "Pop Music" because there are plenty of classic Pop Albums and Pop Artists...timeless shyt that people might not even consider Pop but it is definitely Pop

MJ is Pop....Madonna is Pop....Rhianna is Pop...

To claim that neither of these have a classic album would be ludicrous and I'm not even that big of a Madonna fan

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I'm alright with this analogy as long as we're not denigrating "Pop Music" because there are plenty of classic Pop Albums and Pop Artists...timeless shyt that people might not even consider Pop but it is definitely Pop

MJ is Pop....Madonna is Pop....Rhianna is Pop...

To claim that neither of these have a classic album would be ludicrous and I'm not even that big of a Madonna fan

There are some classic blockbuster movies (Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight) as well I don't think Marvel has made one yet but they exist.

 

[CarltonJunior]

There are some classic blockbuster movies (Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight) as well I don't think Marvel has made one yet but they exist.

I don't think enough time has passed to say that. So far I believe Infinity War, Black Panther, Winter Soldier and Endgame in particular transcended Marvel and will be remembered on that level. Some might argue Iron Man 1 is there also but I disagree with them.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

I'm alright with this analogy as long as we're not denigrating "Pop Music" because there are plenty of classic Pop Albums and Pop Artists...timeless shyt that people might not even consider Pop but it is definitely Pop

MJ is Pop....Madonna is Pop....Rhianna is Pop...

To claim that neither of these have a classic album would be ludicrous and I'm not even that big of a Madonna fan

I shouldn’t have used Bieber but someone more like Drake.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Dude's take was one of the worst takes I've seen on thecoli in any forum

The only reason hollywood even exists is generate profit. Dude's either a moron or the most naiive person in america

What I was saying is that it’s all cookie cutter bullshyt. How that got over your head is hilarious.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I don't think enough time has passed to say that. So far I believe Infinity War, Black Panther, Winter Soldier and Endgame in particular transcended Marvel and will be remembered on that level. Some might argue Iron Man 1 is there also but I disagree with them.

The only thing I can say is a possibility is Ironman maybe BP. The other ones rely too heavily on other movies to fully understand what is going on. Infinity War is probably my favorite theater experience of my life but just think of someone who never saw any of the other movies. They would completely be lost. I gotta penalize a movie that relies heavily on other movies. It's really not it's own thing then.
The entire MCU is unprecedented and classic but I don't think any individual movie contained within has or can reach that status.

 

[HipHopStan]

And when Stern asked him if they are 'cinema' what did RDJ say?

He said they are and I also believe they are too. However, in Martin's opinion (along with others like Francis Ford Coppola), comic book films are low tier, bottom of the barrel to him, and if he believes that then that's his right to believe that. He's not going to change his opinion so I really don't know what we're arguing about a year and a half after he initially said this. Like I said when people started trashing Marty over this: Someone @ me when Marvel makes a movie as good as or better than Goodfellas.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

After long consideration and after trying to watch the marvel movies again...he's right. They are shallow cookie cutter movies, held up by the Comic Book Hero appeal.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I shouldn’t have used Bieber but someone more like Drake.

Are you saying Drake is a Pop Artist and not a Rapper/MC of the Hip Hop music genre