Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

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"WandaVision" concludes by giving Martin Scorsese the MCU film he always wanted

Well well well

I wonder if our lord and savior Marty will approve of this

 

[BXKingPin82]

 

[Jello Biafra]

Not at all.

You don't see any parallels between real life and the events of those movies? I mean you can go deeper but even on a surface level:

Winter Soldier = Government corruption and deception, infiltration and overthrow attempt by Nazi's (Operation paperclip ring a bell?)
Civil War = Is this country not split down the middle, have people not been talking about civil war, succession and the like even before the Orange Skull entered politics? Did we not just have a coup attempt?
Infinity War/Endgame = A threat bigger than political squabbles (climate change, pandemics for example) arises and we have to put differences in philosophy aside to save one another.

We can get more wacky than that, spirituality, multi-verse theory, simulation, AI...shyt China even has legit super-soldier programs, I mean those BEEN around but they're going public with the shyt.



So yes, there are deliberate real world connections to events and ideas in the comics (x-men, civil rights movement ect.) and even more so with Marvel movies where they are even more self aware in regards to how it's going to be consumed. You don't have to think they're great or even good to acknowledge that.

You have to be joking.

 

[PortCityProphet]

You have to be joking.

Mental illness is real

 

[SunZoo]

You have to be joking.

Not at all, but people would rather be dismissive and childish than actually counter the following, as per the article:

- The Russo's deliberately created parallels to current socio-political events and view points over the course of their films production and release.
- They used the vehicle of the comic book genre and Avengers brand to...try to convey emotional, psychological experiences to other human beings, which is the whole point right? How did they do?



They even used the money from their blockbusters to fund smaller films, interesting concept.



Is them believing that they could possibly influence the way people thought about the issues they laid out in the films the part that's so absurdly funny?

 

[SunZoo]

Mental illness is real

 

[PortCityProphet]

Hit dogs holler

 

[Jello Biafra]

Not at all, but people would rather be dismissive and childish than actually counter the following, as per the article:

- The Russo's deliberately created parallels to current socio-political events and view points over the course of their films production and release.
- They used the vehicle of the comic book genre and Avengers brand to...try to convey emotional, psychological experiences to other human beings, which is the whole point right? How did they do?



They even used the money from their blockbusters to fund smaller films, interesting concept.



Is them believing that they could possibly influence the way people thought about the issues they laid out in the films the part that's so absurdly funny?

I could find you videos of people walking out of Twilight movies in shambles. People are weird and when they stan something hard enough they will become ridiculously emotional about it.

And the Russo Brothers made some really entertaining action movies involving super-heroes but trying to act like they made some deeply profound socially relevant art is dumb as hell.

 

[SunZoo]

I could find you videos of people walking out of Twilight movies in shambles. People are weird and when they stan something hard enough they will become ridiculously emotional about it.

And the Russo Brothers made some really entertaining action movies involving super-heroes but trying to act like they made some deeply profound socially relevant art is dumb as hell.

Again

- The Russo's deliberately created parallels to current socio-political events and view points over the course of their films production and release, yes or no?
- They used the vehicle of the comic book genre and Avengers brand to...try to convey emotional, psychological experiences to other human beings, to great success, yes or no?

Nowhere did I (or the Russo's for that matter) make an argument for it being deeply profound. In fact I used the term 'surface level' because it needed to be surface level to resonate with such a wide audience, yet the parallels are there and yes, socially relevant.

 

[O.Red]

Marty can say whatever the fukk he wants.

Taxi Driver is one of the greatest films ever directed.

Marvel movies suck. Basically killed Hollywood because it’s basically the only shyt studios want to push and release. Big blockbuster super hero movies one after the motherfukkin ‘nother.

That's not true at all.

Marvel movies held Hollywood up for a decade

Y'all either don't know or are ignoring how bad Hollywood was doing in 2010. People stopped going to theaters

Studios were preparing for death

And if you wanna talk about blockbusters killing Hollywood you're gonna have to start way before the 2000s

 

[humminbird]

That's not true at all.

Marvel movies held Hollywood up for a decade

Y'all either don't know or are ignoring how bad Hollywood was doing in 2010

Studios were preparing for death

And if you wanna talk about blockbusters killing Hollywood you're gonna have to start way before the 2000s

this
it's why it's poetic that right after Marvel had their grand finale Covid came and smacked the theater industry
guess who's saving their ass again

 

[O.Red]

I could find you videos of people walking out of Twilight movies in shambles. People are weird and when they stan something hard enough they will become ridiculously emotional about it.

And the Russo Brothers made some really entertaining action movies involving super-heroes but trying to act like they made some deeply profound socially relevant art is dumb as hell.

Art is permanently bound to social relevance

Pretentiousness doesn't change that

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

got a link for this breh?

That's not true at all.

Marvel movies held Hollywood up for a decade

Y'all either don't know or are ignoring how bad Hollywood was doing in 2010

Studios were preparing for death

And if you wanna talk about blockbusters killing Hollywood you're gonna have to start way before the 2000s

 

[Heavy_Handz]

That's not true at all.

Marvel movies held Hollywood up for a decade

Y'all either don't know or are ignoring how bad Hollywood was doing in 2010. People stopped going to theaters

Studios were preparing for death

And if you wanna talk about blockbusters killing Hollywood you're gonna have to start way before the 2000s

Marvel films are made for the sole purpose of generating profit, not to tell a great story, a focus that has negatively impacted global pop culture as well as film as an art form.

It’s true that the most innovative and thought-provoking films aren’t typically extravagant, high-grossing studio movies, but in the past, this was common. The highest-grossing film of 1972 was Francis Ford Coppola’s “The Godfather,” which is widely considered one of the greatest films of all time. Other high-grossing movies of this time such as “Jaws,” “Rocky,” and “Back to the Future” weren’t part of an established franchise either. But now? In the past 15 years, only two of the the single highest-grossing films have not been part of major film franchises. This is a far cry from decades ago, when franchise films were the exception, not the rule. This franchise-based approach sacrifices original storylines, high-quality cinematography and grounded performances, instead incentivizing the pumping out of films to maximize profits based solely on brand recognition and nostalgia.

 

[ECA]

Marvel stans dikkeating that line from episode 8 of Wandavision