Martial arts training thread (boxing, karate, whatever)?
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The bolded comment sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. I have 8 years in wrestling and 3 of BJJ and Muay Thai training under Master Lloyd Irvin (just to get the creditials out the way).
First of all, MMA is NOT point fighting. At all. Its really a blanket term for people practicing multiple disciplines. I am a wrestler, but also train in BJJ and MT, so by default that would make me a MIXED Martial Artist, but I would never say that I train in MMA.
You are right that there is no "best" style, which is the entire point behind MMA, you learn multiple styles in order to diversify yourself and have ability no matter what situation you are in.
You see a huge focus on grappling IN MMA because grappling is the most common occurance in any REAL fight.
Julius Skrrvin
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It was worded badly.
Okay, you are right about MMA being simply a combination of styles. That is correct. By that definition pretty much most posters in this thread are MMA practitioners. That being said, when people say they want to train MMA as a style, that means they want to go to an MMA gym and participate in the training method/syncretic martial art that has been created from the point based sport called Mixed Martial Arts. I thought that was obvious though :kanye:
I disagree about grappling being the most common occurance in real fights, although it is certainly there.
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Okay, you are right about MMA being simply a combination of styles. That is correct. By that definition pretty much most posters in this thread are MMA practitioners. That being said, when people say they want to train MMA as a style, that means they want to go to an MMA gym and participate in the training method/syncretic martial art that has been created from the point based sport called Mixed Martial Arts. I thought that was obvious though :kanye:
I disagree about grappling being the most common occurance in real fights, although it is certainly there.
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But BJJ I guess focuses more on fighting on the ground. And I think I read somewhere that most fights end up on the ground. So knowing moves to help me out when I ever get pushed/tackled to the ground I feel would come in handy. I would like to know how to put people in headlocks and stuff?
So should I just try boxing first just to learn how to dodge punches and shyt while knowing to throw a decent punch? I read Mowgli's post about the first thing someone should know on how to defend themselves is knowing how to dodge punches to avoid injury and embarrasment. It made sense.
Just chiming in....
I think boxing is probably the easiest to learn for most people off the street but I think learning wrestling or BJJ (both if you can) would serve you better in the long run.
As it relates to grappling in a real fight, its true most fights end up in grappling at some point. Think about it like this....
Think about or watch any boxing match that lasts longer than 2 minutes and just count how many times they clinch up, grab each other or have to be separated by the referee. In a real fight, there would be no ref to break them up so the fighters would have to fight from the clinched position. From that point, the fight is now turned from striking to grappling.
If you can have such a large number of grappling encounters in a sport that SPECIFICALLY prevents it and focuses on striking, just think about how often you'd be grappling if there were no rules...
It was worded badly.
Okay, you are right about MMA being simply a combination of styles. That is correct. By that definition pretty much most posters in this thread are MMA practitioners. That being said, when people say they want to train MMA as a style, that means they want to go to an MMA gym and participate in the training method/syncretic martial art that has been created from the point based sport called Mixed Martial Arts. I thought that was obvious though :kanye:
I disagree about grappling being the most common occurance in real fights, although it is certainly there.
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I'm wary of any school that advertises themselves strictly as an MMA school because that usually leads to teachers that are not serious about their discipline and only teaching general knowlegdge in a multitude of styles.
Sadly tho, for most people, that would be plenty for them to absorb.
And about the most fights end up grappling, I would have to agree from a personal and overall perspective. Fact is, most people don't know HOW to fight, let along throw proper combinations. Because of this, when most people fight, they don't have any power in their punches and often don't even hit their targets.
Think about how many street or bar fights end up with 2 winded guys holding on to each other and rolling around on the ground. Hell, think about how often professional boxers clinch or tie up in a sanctioned boxing match and have to be separated by the ref. It happens on a consistant occurance and in both examples are where grappling comes to the forefront.
That said, if you are a skilled to even moderate striker, you can probably end a fight in the first few seconds before it even becomes a grappling match. Like Bas Rutten said, 80% of fights end up on the ground but 100% of fights being standing.
Julius Skrrvin
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Okay you gotta be careful using that boxing example.
Back in the day when boxers got up close refs wouldn't separate them immediately unless they weren't even jostling for position to hit. They would let push for space to create openings to punch with, which is why infighting skill was so important back then. just because you get close doesn't mean the striking game is over (which im sure you know as a MT guy).
Fights between the unskilled end on the ground more often than not. The purpose of learning boxing is to have a way to prevent a fight from ever getting there. you dont need to be a master or a bas rutten. You just need to have polished a few good strikes, a guard, and some basic defense (obviously acquired in sparring).
having a complete game is important against FIGHTERS. against ordinary people(see: street), you just need some conditioning, a few good basics, and a fighting mindset.
Back in the day when boxers got up close refs wouldn't separate them immediately unless they weren't even jostling for position to hit. They would let push for space to create openings to punch with, which is why infighting skill was so important back then. just because you get close doesn't mean the striking game is over (which im sure you know as a MT guy).
Fights between the unskilled end on the ground more often than not. The purpose of learning boxing is to have a way to prevent a fight from ever getting there. you dont need to be a master or a bas rutten. You just need to have polished a few good strikes, a guard, and some basic defense (obviously acquired in sparring).
having a complete game is important against FIGHTERS. against ordinary people(see: street), you just need some conditioning, a few good basics, and a fighting mindset.
Thanks. Ill check this out
Alright that sounds good. I got to hit up yelp to find a good boxing place. I will keep what you said in mind about the crappier looking gym is the best.
I think I'm going to try boxing for a while. Because i believe most of you when you say most don't know how to fight/throw a punch. I can avoid getting knocked out or getting hit to the ground with some boxing defensive techniques. I don't want to be some bully/tough guy because I'm not. I just want to be ready in case some shyt ever pops off which is inevitable.
I was never really into boxing at all but I'm going to check out some videos.
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I think I'm going to try boxing for a while. Because i believe most of you when you say most don't know how to fight/throw a punch. I can avoid getting knocked out or getting hit to the ground with some boxing defensive techniques. I don't want to be some bully/tough guy because I'm not. I just want to be ready in case some shyt ever pops off which is inevitable.
I was never really into boxing at all but I'm going to check out some videos.
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what do you do to increase flexibility of your kicks? if i try to kick someone i can barely get my foot above my waist
Alright that sounds good. I got to hit up yelp to find a good boxing place. I will keep what you said in mind about the crappier looking gym is the best.
I think I'm going to try boxing for a while. Because i believe most of you when you say most don't know how to fight/throw a punch. I can avoid getting knocked out or getting hit to the ground with some boxing defensive techniques. I don't want to be some bully/tough guy because I'm not. I just want to be ready in case some shyt ever pops off which is inevitable.
I was never really into boxing at all but I'm going to check out some videos.
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Just google boxing gyms in your area. Usually a site like yelp will tell you which gym in your area is good for training.
Edit, nevermind ur on the right path.
How high you wanna kick?
Julius Skrrvin
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You sir are what I fukking hate about other neijiaquan practitioners. Think about what you have decided to post here in this thread. You're full of brag. You think that just because you've done some qigong and studied IMA principles you're better than every motherfukker in here don't you? You are why people laugh at neijia practice. Yes, I know rudimentary knowledge of the TCM body. I don't care though much though. Traditional chinese medicine is often unscientific and quite frankly so is qigong. While you and others are geeking out over how much better your farts smell, students in other disciplines are training, sparring, and improving their body structure for efficiency.
instead of masturbating to yourself how about you share some of your experience?
Julius Skrrvin
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lots of ways to do this. try making your leg as straight as possible and swinging it like a bat into the air high as you can. alternate legs, and do it while walking forward. itll hurt but eventually youll get higher. nice warmup too.
some guys can kick people in the face
i can prolly barely kick somebody in their nuts
maybe high enough to kick someone in the chest