Martial arts training thread (boxing, karate, whatever)?

[Mowgli]

I'm not shytting on no one's style in this thread. I don't shyt on anyones martial art unless you're doing some mystical pressure point dragonball z qi strike bullshyt or you're one of those aikido fakkits that thinks he can throw me with no physical strength just because you've been practicing coordinated falls with a willing partner.

The diffference between me and those guys is I have no need to prove my style or kung fu is better than anyone elses (gongfu/practice is what matters not style). And like I said i've done other styles for longer. I'm just describing the aim and training of Xingyi.


Actually i also hate on Wing Chun peeps a little too cause they are always talking about deadly bruce lee 1 inch punches and all sorts of bullshyt. "i cant spar because it would be too dangerous!!11!!" "wing chun is the best!!11". smh.

I sparred with a Wing Chun cat and im not gonna lie, he lit my face up in the beginning. I throw a jab and he was in there quick with those punk ass rabbit punches. He really wasnt getting and shoulder behind it so it didnt phase me that much. I just backed on, and got back to a neutral position. He goes back into that Wing Chun stance. I look at son like fake a jab n just scoop slam him. The rest was a foregone conclusion.

After i submitted him hes like *yea, if he hadnt have got that slam* yadda yadda ya. Im like yea well, stop me. We squared up again, i threw a jab, he came in with those silly punches, 1 hit me in the eye . I moved foward and clinched son, kneeing him in the stomach during the break away. He crumbled n was frontin like his chest hurt.( i guess it was near his sternum) Im like nah, ya body didnt jam on you, your heart jammed on you *in my head* but i apprceciated the lesson. He was tagging me.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Yeah, most of the guys doing WC are always trying some flurry Ip Man shyt. That or maybe they try and trap your shyt using chi sao or sticky hands. There are some chunners that can hit straight with their whole body but not many, and almost none who have any sort of tackle or ground defense with those stiff upright stances.

A lot of them have good hand speed at least though and it can be initially very confusing

 

[2bitchesANDthaDoorLocked]

i aint tryna spend 50 years of my life learning a martial art that is rendered useless when a veteran of it gets his kicked in MMA

MMA , tha best fighter wins, so just choose tha art of whoever wins tha most, its been brazillian ju-jitsu for tha longest right? (that shyt borin doe)

 

[Genome]

Well I'm 5'10'' 180lbs. I never really been in a real fight. I've fought my brother a few times for real. But everybody fights there siblings. I just want to defend myself mostly while throwing a few hits here and there. The thing is I'm a laid back dude and never really had a problem with anyone. I never needed to scrap before. Id like to defend myself against mostly thug ass dudes and regular dudes.

Also i never really had a gf before. And my worst nightmare is me getting into a situation where i would have to fight in front of her or defend her and me looking like a punk. I know its going to happen sometime. Id like to think that i could kick some ass with adrenaline and being in the heat of the moment but i don't know. But i just want to be ready If i should ever get into an altercation.


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[Julius Skrrvin]

i aint tryna spend 50 years of my life learning a martial art that is rendered useless when a veteran of it gets his kicked in MMA

MMA , tha best fighter wins, so just choose tha art of whoever wins tha most, its been brazillian ju-jitsu for tha longest right? (that shyt borin doe)

MMA is a point based sport, not a fight. Practicing MMA can make you better at fighting, but not necessarily more than any other martial art.

There's a counter for everything in martial arts as well. There is no 'best'. And any martial arts school will give you some fighting knowledge inside 3 months. Anything that's worth doing is worth doing right

Well I'm 5'10'' 180lbs. I never really been in a real fight. I've fought my brother a few times for real. But everybody fights there siblings. I just want to defend myself mostly while throwing a few hits here and there. The thing is I'm a laid back dude and never really had a problem with anyone. I never needed to scrap before. Id like to defend myself against mostly thug ass dudes and regular dudes.

Also i never really had a gf before. And my worst nightmare is me getting into a situation where i would have to fight in front of her or defend her and me looking like a punk. I know its going to happen sometime. Id like to think that i could kick some ass with adrenaline and being in the heat of the moment but i don't know. But i just want to be ready If i should ever get into an altercation.


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You're actually almost exactly my dimensions. But going by what you're saying, just take some boxing classes. You'll get what you need IF they spar and teach you proper punching mechanics(easier said than done).

dont fight people over bytches.

 

[Mowgli]

i aint tryna spend 50 years of my life learning a martial art that is rendered useless when a veteran of it gets his kicked in MMA

MMA , tha best fighter wins, so just choose tha art of whoever wins tha most, its been brazillian ju-jitsu for tha longest right? (that shyt borin doe)

These days because everyone is crosstraining its important that you cross train. If you're just preparing yourself to fight some thug on the street being proficient and in great shape will allow you to put the beats on most people. For this you only need to know how to box. This will give you great conditioning and an ability to dodge the most common punches *haymakers*

Now, if you want to be a fighter who beats on other fighters, then you definately want to have a crisy striking game (at least fundamentally) and a ground game to at least defend being taken down and to get back on your feet if you do get taken down.

 

[YouMadd?]

Been doing Krav Maga and Boxing for a couple months now... I'll add BJJ once I peak in the other two disciplines...

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

did a full hour of this today. Great exercise. It builds a certain kind of flexible strength and explosiveness. Think of it like hitting a tire with a hammer to increase punching power, but more relaxed.

 

[Genome]

boxing that sounds good

But BJJ I guess focuses more on fighting on the ground. And I think I read somewhere that most fights end up on the ground. So knowing moves to help me out when I ever get pushed/tackled to the ground I feel would come in handy. I would like to know how to put people in headlocks and stuff?

So should I just try boxing first just to learn how to dodge punches and shyt while knowing to throw a decent punch? I read Mowgli's post about the first thing someone should know on how to defend themselves is knowing how to dodge punches to avoid injury and embarrasment. It made sense.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Learn standup fighting first. You are by nature most likely to get in a fight standing up. Street fights dont last long. You wanna basically get someone out of the picture asap and then bail out. And you do NOT want to voluntarily take someone to the ground unless you know you're up against one guy. If someone's boys see you subbing a guy on the groundthey might just tee off on you with a kick or something and its hard to perceive and defend from strikes down there while youre working a hold.

Learn and POLISH 5 or less good strikes to where you can knock someone out. Train for speed, accuracy, and putting all the leverage in your body into a hit. After that, takedown defense. The rest is up to you.

 

[Genome]

Alright so I will take some boxing lessons. Ive been feeling so I guess the work out would be good for me anyway.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Attaway.

I would say avoid any places that are full of cardio bunnies and douchebags in sports gear (often overpriced). Some of the best boxing gyms to start out in are run down pieces of shyt full of old men, bored kids from the hood, and the smell of Joe Louis' jockstrap. Hanging bags. Frequent sparring. mean mugging. this is what you wanna look for.

 

[Mowgli]

boxing that sounds good

But BJJ I guess focuses more on fighting on the ground. And I think I read somewhere that most fights end up on the ground. So knowing moves to help me out when I ever get pushed/tackled to the ground I feel would come in handy. I would like to know how to put people in headlocks and stuff?

So should I just try boxing first just to learn how to dodge punches and shyt while knowing to throw a decent punch? I read Mowgli's post about the first thing someone should know on how to defend themselves is knowing how to dodge punches to avoid injury and embarrasment. It made sense.

I started out striking and grappling. FOr joe blow on the street learn how to box. If you make sure your footwork is on point and learn how to escape clinches you can avoid a lot of setups for takedowns and actual takedowns. Its rare that you're going to meet someone in the street who is an experienced grappler because most times, grapplers having put so much time in the mat are not going to pick fights. The people you want to prepare yourself for are sluggers. These are entry level bums who swing looping punches. Still, watch out for the scoop slam because many a hood have become proficient at picking cats up around their knees and dropping them on the ground for the OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo, from there, you may be in trouble, if you dont know how to get back up. WHen this aspect becomes a concern for you, take some MMA classes and learn how to defend yourself from the takedown and learn how to get back to your feet. More then anything, make sure those hands are crispy so you dont gas yourself out throwing wild punches trying to kill someone whos attacking you.

 

[Lewis Black]

If you wanna learn the best way to defend yourself (or if you a bully and you want to abuse your power) - learn boxing. All that that other bruce lee shyt lol forget about it.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

@ Mowgli, this might interest you. One of the guys ive been reading up on a lot is Tim Cartmell. He basically teaches a combination of your martial interests and mine. He's a guy who teaches Bagua and Xingyi and has a black belt in Brazilian Jujitsu (which he considers an 'internal' martial art). He also placed first in the 'senior' categories at the 2003 IBJJF Pan Championship as a brown belt and first at the 2004 IBJJF Pan Championship as a black belt. i like the guy a lot because he's one of the guys trying to complete wushu and adapt it to competition with some success. Check out some of his throws:

old clip of a cheng bagua throw:


some of his material for staying off the ground:




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