Martial arts training thread (boxing, karate, whatever)?
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Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
I'll indulge you, I suppose. Except that you seem to have deleted the post in question, so...
You mentioned suspension. I'm assuming you're referring to the Taijiquan principle of suspending the head or Xu Ling Ding Jin. It's an instruction to hold your head in a certain line with your spine so the baihui pushes up. TCM theory often says this helps to keep the Ren and Du channels clear, correct? In martial applications, this relaxation can provide you with a clear mind and fluid movement.
The rest was about Qigong, which i do not believe to be a force or energy but a method of practicing to control and utilize the human nervous system to its fullest. This can be seen in non-martial applications in Yoga for example which is the father of many of these principles.
Centerline is a common concept in martial arts, be it western, waijia, or neijia.
I am not bragging.
I do not ignore esoteric aspects of neijia, i just do not accept them as fact but works in practice and theories.
You are not special because you are studying neijiaquan. And neither am I.
You mentioned suspension. I'm assuming you're referring to the Taijiquan principle of suspending the head or Xu Ling Ding Jin. It's an instruction to hold your head in a certain line with your spine so the baihui pushes up. TCM theory often says this helps to keep the Ren and Du channels clear, correct? In martial applications, this relaxation can provide you with a clear mind and fluid movement.
The rest was about Qigong, which i do not believe to be a force or energy but a method of practicing to control and utilize the human nervous system to its fullest. This can be seen in non-martial applications in Yoga for example which is the father of many of these principles.
Centerline is a common concept in martial arts, be it western, waijia, or neijia.
I am not bragging.
I do not ignore esoteric aspects of neijia, i just do not accept them as fact but works in practice and theories.
You are not special because you are studying neijiaquan. And neither am I.
some guys can kick people in the face
i can prolly barely kick somebody in their nuts
maybe high enough to kick someone in the chest
Honesetly kicking someone in the face is risky. If your leg gets caught you may get tripped and be in a bad situation on the ground. Now, learning to kick someone in the thigh, the side of the knee, the rib cage or front of the chest are very valuable components of a fighters arsenal.
If i remember correctly you are a pretty tall individual and a head kick from you (due to a lack of martial arts experience) may not come out with the speed necessary to connect to an uncovered face.
Leg kicks and rib kicks can demoralize opponents instantly if they are delivered from strong individuals. I once kicked someone who squared up with me in the thigh with the blade of my shin. He said time out. Its like dead legging someone. To the ribs, wow, they can break or become bruised easily. When someone feels their mortality in the first minute it can often times end a fight before it starts.
Front kicks can push away opponents, wild beasts and have the same effect. Its doubtful ull be able to kick someones chest in but if you kick someone who is not paying attention in the back, it could devestate them.
That said, while you work your way to head kicks you should work on getting comfortable kickig as high as you can kick now. The area of the body(armpit and below) are perfect targets to practice on.
To get comfortable, you need a lot of streetching but first thigns first. 10-15 minutes worth.
Can you touch your toes while standing?
Can you touch your toes while sitting with your legs together
Can you touch your feet, one at a time while sitting, legs spread with both hands.
These are just basic stretches. Heres some information i found that may help you. Im not that good with describing muscle anatomy.
For your kicking problem:
It's best to do these in order, but it's not the end of the world if you don't.
For the groin/adductors (inner thigh), the butterfly stretch is good. Sit down, put the soles of your feet together and use your hands to pull your heels toward your junk. From there, use your hands/elbows to leverage your knees toward the ground. You can also use your abductors (outer thigh) to do this, which is good for strengthening the muscles that initiate the kick. You can also grab your feet and pull your chest toward them, keeping your back straight.
A similar stretch is the frog, where you basically squat down like a frog, spreading your bent knees as wide as possible and pushing your butt back. This will work the same area as the butterfly, but with a wider range of motion.
The good old-fashioned one-legged hamstring stretch is good, too. Just be sure to lock the leg and keep the back straight, even though it means you only go about half as far. The hamstrings usually take a couple of rounds of sustained stretches before they really loosen up. On the second/third round, bend your non-stretching leg to the outside, and flatten the top of your foot to the floor. If you're into pain, you can also do the two leg stretch. I personally don't do that one. It makes me too angry.
After the hamstring stretch, pull your chest toward your rear knee (carefully). This will help loosen up your hips even more.
After that, try the quad stretch. Some people (gym teachers) like to do both legs at once, but I've found that I get a better stretch going one at at time, and it's easier on the back. On this one, fold one leg back behind you, so your heel is tucked to the side of, but not under, your butt. Then lay back, relaxing as much as possible. Keep your ankle flat, too, so you can get a good stretch for your lower shin and instep.
For the next one, grab your left/right foot and tuck it into your right/left elbow, and pull it toward your shoulder. This should be a pain in the butt, literally. As you get used to this, you can hook your knee inside the elbow of the same side arm and lock your hands, pulling your knee to your near shoulder and your foot to the far one.
The hip flexors can be a problem for a lot of people. These are the muscles at the very top of your quad, where it inserts into your hip. A good stretch for these is the lunge. Keep your shoulders square and your rear leg locked straight. Bend your front knee, but keep it vertically behind your toes. Straighten at the back until you feel the pull on your hip flexors, then find the position that makes you want to cry. Don't forget the other side.
The last stretch and probably the most important (for the average person) for the high kick is the straight split. Just slide your legs out to the side, heels up, putting your hands to the floor. This one hurts a lot, but there's a key to getting faster results. Once you've settled into your max, flex your adductors (inner thighs) so you raise up higher. Slowly relax the muscles as you exhale. Do this 4 to 5 times before finishing the stretch.
One dynamic stretch I'd recommend is the Tae Kwon Do axe kick. It's good for strengthening your hip flexors and obliques, but it's also one of the best ways to get flexible hamstrings and sinovial fluid into your hips (lubricates your joints). Swing the locked leg straight up as high as you can (after warming up with lighter versions of the kick) and chop it down. Be sure to keep your back straight or your heel will meet the floor and that will ruin your month.
If you do these stretches 3 to 4 times a week, you'll be really sore, but you'll also see a big change in your flexibility, which will allow you to focus more energy into your strikes (and less on keeping your balance). You'll have more control over your body, which will allow you to improve your technique, speed, and timing. Also, you'll be less susceptible to injury of the muscles and the joints. All good things.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
not wholely but this is a shallow partial answer,..
you shun them,...
if you know them and do not apply them to your knowledge.
what happens when you are engaged by someone who is malleable to your mass discipline.
plus equally yoked and skilled......
also i applaud you for finding the practical answers.
as you saw i took down my post for a reason.
which you should know...
so i respect you in that light to understand and answer after seeing my action.
peace,.....
this is a good gateway thread but i wanted to know for myself where you were.
plus what you may know,...before ingesting your knowledge.
i do not want to indulge in cobra kai karate kid bs,....
so you hopefully understand why i tested you in the way i did.
respect,....
art barr
Art Barr can't fight. 
I remember this nikka on some
about knowing people who will send you flying through walls on some hadoken shyt.
Shut up nikka.
I remember this nikka on some
about knowing people who will send you flying through walls on some hadoken shyt. Shut up nikka.
fukk outta here with that dim mak bullshyt. nikka talking bout he has trained kung fu assassins w/ him and shyt like he's Mr. Han.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
I'm not going to write an essay about Taiji principles even if I've read about it because I haven't practiced it. Nor do I really want to. I just don't care much about stuff like qi. I do neigong to warm up because I have been told to do so, but I do not find it to be a huge component to the equation. apart from developing the right mental state and helping to unify breath with movement for fajin expression, which are important. Neijiaquan are nice because they focus on mechanics and ultimately efficiency of structure first, and then move into application. That being said they suffer from much of what you seem to deem as the watermark of progress. Too much time spent on qi. Too much time spent on teaching traditional chinese medicine. Avoidance of hard physical labor. MYTHICAL tales about power and qi ability. This undermines good, useful kung fu.
Xingyi, Bagua, Taiji/Tai Chi, Mizong, Tongbei, Liu He Ba Fa, Baji, Pigua, Xinyiliuhequan, etc. dont need mythical aggrandizement or esoterics to prove their worth. They already did by producing centuries worth of China's top fighters, who were mostly less concerned with fluff and more about the basic of basics and development of fighting ability.
edit: Goddamn deadly dim mak demonstration shyt
Xingyi, Bagua, Taiji/Tai Chi, Mizong, Tongbei, Liu He Ba Fa, Baji, Pigua, Xinyiliuhequan, etc. dont need mythical aggrandizement or esoterics to prove their worth. They already did by producing centuries worth of China's top fighters, who were mostly less concerned with fluff and more about the basic of basics and development of fighting ability.
edit: Goddamn deadly dim mak demonstration shyt
Lewis Black
Superstar
I'm not going to write an essay about Taiji principles even if I've read about it because I haven't practiced it. Nor do I really want to. I just don't care much about stuff like qi. I do neigong to warm up because I have been told to do so, but I do not find it to be a huge component to the equation. apart from developing the right mental state and helping to unify breath with movement for fajin expression, which are important. Neijiaquan are nice because they focus on mechanics and ultimately efficiency of structure first, and then move into application. That being said they suffer from much of what you seem to deem as the watermark of progress. Too much time spent on qi. Too much time spent on teaching traditional chinese medicine. Avoidance of hard physical labor. MYTHICAL tales about power and qi ability. This undermines good, useful kung fu.
Xingyi, Bagua, Taiji/Tai Chi, Mizong, Tongbei, Liu He Ba Fa, Baji, Pigua, Xinyiliuhequan, etc. dont need mythical aggrandizement or esoterics to prove their worth. They already did by producing centuries worth of China's top fighters, who were mostly less concerned with fluff and more about the basic of basics and development of fighting ability.
edit: Goddamn deadly dim mak demonstration shyt
Can you kick my ass doe?
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
I'm fast, I hit hard, and i've got 14 years of martial arts experience.
at the very least i would punt you in the balls
Lewis Black
Superstar
I'm fast, I hit hard, and i've got 14 years of martial arts experience.
at the very least i would punt you in the balls
Nah but for real in a real fight situation a boxer will come out on top 9/10, be honest.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
I've done boxing too. nikka my idol is Joe Louis. Did you read the OP? I put a sugar ray robinson gif in there
Nah but for real in a real fight situation a boxer will come out on top 9/10, be honest.
. Boxing is great. But theres more in the martial arts world for a breh to 
off of.Yo for real we are endorsing boxing a lot in this thread... But there are a ton of boxers out there who try and box ali style in streetfights, loose hands, not turning over their punches or putting bodyweight in. They break their hands. They get tackled or subbed. Or K.O'd themselves cause they cant fight up close or hit through well enough.
Lewis Black
Superstar
I've done boxing too. nikka my idol is Joe Louis. Did you read the OP? I put a sugar ray robinson gif in there
Yo for real we are endorsing boxing a lot in this thread... But there are a ton of boxers out there who try and box ali style in streetfights, loose hands, not turning over their punches or putting bodyweight in. They break their hands. They get tackled or subbed. Or K.O'd themselves cause they cant fight up close or hit through well enough.
Nah I didin't even read the op my dude lol but good thread
