Marriage rates are collapsing for lower income and middle income families

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That's how I see it.

Your entire mentally is confusing to me to be honest. You say your girl experience makes her appreciate you more. I'm of the opinion that she should appreciate you regardless. I wouldn't be in a relationship with a women that didn't respect me. Like bytch, you here. You either wanna be here or you don't. If you don't appreciate me, you don't wanna be here, so gtfo.
I used to think like that but it's not reality from my experience. I agree she should appreciate me for me, but most humans are selfish, they only appreciate you when you make them feel good.

Some men give women money to do it. Some buy them things. Some help them look good for the world. I rather hit their emotions with sex because it's the only thing that hits them to the core. That, and saying the right thing.

I can't see me giving her money, or things, or being her boy toy to make her friends jealous. With sex I get enjoyment, she gets hooked, and I have less problems. Once we get serious then I buy things, she gotta look good for me.
 

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Watch what they do vs what they say. Any woman could get married if it was as big of a deal as it used to be. Simping is at an all time high. If a woman was really, REALLY desperate to marry, they would.

They complain to make it seem like they want marriage but really they want a new contract from what traditional marriage used to mean. It’s quite simple. Women used to bypass a lot of shyt in men b:c they didn’t have options. Looks weren’t that important. If a man cheated or treated her badly, society and family would tell her to let it go or overlook it. Men had entire dual families down the street. Women were still encouraged to hold down the fort, maintain...yadda, yadda, yadda.

But now, lots of things have changed. What is the incentive for a woman to choose somebody she not attracted to, get fukked by the same dikk she not attracted to for life, give unwavering loyalty to him, and overlook his trifling ways, all while doing all the traditional work AND working full time.

Nobody can answer that. Women emphasized marriage b4 b/c there were barely any other options for them and it was codified so strongly into society that u were damn near a pariah if u didn’t fall in line.

That shyt is gone. Women now have the choice to get what they want or forgo it altogether. And with the way women are acting, anybody can see most have said fukk it to the institution unless it’s on their terms. :yeshrug:
I'm not even gonna apply logic to this.

Please do whatever you want to do. Just stop complaining about what's not getting done.
 

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Only a fool would think like that in this era

That shouldn't even be a thought unless you are paying for everything, and she stays home.

Even then she will most likely get a maid, from what I've seen, but maybe not if both of y'all talked about all of this before doing it
There are a lot of fools in this era. You don’t seem to be one of them. But I’d say ur atypical.
Then again, a lot of dudes talk that HOH shyt but act differently too so it’s all based on a case by case basis.
 

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I'm not even gonna apply logic to this.

Please do whatever you want to do. Just stop complaining about what's not getting done.
I’m not complaining personally. I’m just laying out facts. I would think as much as men complain about marriage and how bad it is for them they would be happy to find women becoming more reticent about the institution as well.

Seems like a place for some common ground. But nope. I think men want to act like they hate marriage but get incensed by women honestly letting them know that the shyt ain’t a bed of roses for us either. Especially considering that the percentage of aint shyt dudes is just as high as aint shyt females.

I still think marriage can work if both parties truly care about one another but unreasonable expectations from either side has corroded the institution. People want companionship but not the bullshyt a lot of broken people bring with it. That’s a legitimate gripe.
 

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I used to think like that but it's not reality from my experience. I agree she should appreciate me for me, but most humans are selfish, they only appreciate you when you make them feel good.

Some men give women money to do it. Some buy them things. Some help them look good for the world. I rather hit their emotions with sex because it's the only thing that hits them to the core. That, and saying the right thing.

I can't see me giving her money, or things, or being her boy toy to make her friends jealous. With sex I get enjoyment, she gets hooked, and I have less problems. Once we get serious then I buy things, she gotta look good for me.
I get what your saying and your right to a degree.

But at that point it's just a transaction and at that point I would rather fukk with hoes then put effort into a relationship. At least the price is known and consistent.

To clarify I got no problem with a woman being promiscuous. I just got a problem with price discrimination/inflation.
 

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Eh like attracts like. You cant be a hoe and expect to be nothing more than a nut for a guy that has his shyt together. Likewise a woman isn't going to entertain a guy who doesn't make her feel attractive and wants to not bring anything to the table.
 

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Men complaining about most women lacking quality as if most of them aren’t 99.9% aint shyt themselves.

For a good woman, marriage is a liability b/c even if she was dumb enuff to follow up bro babble and choose up on the ugliest, lamest, clit shriveling dude she could find regardless of compatibility or genuine attraction...even those dudes wanna play games and fancy themselves “playas”.

Plenty of regular degular dudes mess over good women and cheat on them just like other dudes.

The typical bullshyt marriage package that a lot of dudes wanna pitch (I.e. he makes the rules, but split the bills 50/50, while u do all the domestic chores, and don’t complain about anything, even him disrespecting you by cheating on you, while also expecting unwavering loyalty) is a no-go. The only reason women did that shyt was a result of centuries of forced arranged marriages, brainwashing, shaming, and lack of economic options.

Women want long-term companionship but they not willing to sacrifice autonomy, sexual satisfaction, attraction, love and happiness to get it. Anymore.

Marriage has been de-incentivized for women. Offering dikk and HOH babble and shaming tactics just ain’t enough to make a chick wanna chase a dude who makes her clit hide, to put up with him cheating on her and basically be his roommate. AND deal with wack strokes. FOEHVA!
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Birth control wasn’t the harbinger of this shyt. Increased educational and economic opportunities for women was. If chicks can do better they will do better, whether it’s with a dude or not.:yeshrug:
:whoo::snoop::usure: which playa hurt you?
 

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:whoo::snoop::usure: which playa hurt you?
I already mentioned shaming tactics. Those don’t really work for me champ.:therethere:
I’m just smart enough not to get caught up in the marriage hype, while laughing at dudes acting sanctimonious like they not an exact reflection of the quality of chicks available to them.:mjlol:I remember one poster saying “where do these dudes think they come from, Narnia?!”
:laff::laff::laff:“Women ain’t marriage material...”
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I’m not complaining personally. I’m just laying out facts. I would think as much as men complain about marriage and how bad it is for them they would be happy to find women becoming more reticent about the institution as well.

Seems like a place for some common ground. But nope. I think men want to act like they hate marriage but get incensed by women honestly letting them know that the shyt ain’t a bed of roses for us either. Especially considering that the percentage of aint shyt dudes is just as high as aint shyt females.

I still think marriage can work if both parties truly care about one another but unreasonable expectations from either side has corroded the institution. People want companionship but not the bullshyt a lot of broken people bring with it. That’s a legitimate gripe.
Miss me. You was out here throwing up bullshyt about a bunch of hypothetical ain't shyt dudes most yall never been with to justify not playing what you perceive as a lesser position in a relationship.

Which is cool. Your entitled to that position.

Ignoring the fact that the women chose those ain't shyt dudes.
And women with the ability today still choosing up on sorry, lousy, reprobate men.(Angela Simmons, ciara)

Added to the fact that all your really doing is demotivating the men. Especially the young ones. Which is just gonna fukk up the rest of society like it fukked up black America.

Yall cant see how that strong independent shyt directly correlates to what bw aren't getting compared to other races of women. i.e. colorism, black men having a lack of value in the black women, the massive amount of unproductive black men.
 

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Yall gotta stop pretending like hoes are a new thing to this generation or that its somehow gotten worse when these bytches been catching 10+ bodies a year forever... Same generations being called 'wholesome' got a 'Big Mama' in the family with 10 children and 30 grandkids, cmon now.

By the same man, 90% of the times.

You did not see too many Black women with 10 kids by 6 & 7 baby daddies 50 years ago.

I'm calling bullshyt.

Now, I've got women in my family who had a husband who they had kids with, then he died and she got remarried and had more kids.

But just 6,7,8,9 kids from hoeing around?

You'll rarely find that before the '70s & '80s in our community.

Which is strange, because there's never been more birth control options to prevent exactly that from happening.

Men complaining about most women lacking quality as if most of them aren’t 99.9% aint shyt themselves.

For a good woman, marriage is a liability b/c even if she was dumb enuff to follow up bro babble and choose up on the ugliest, lamest, clit shriveling dude she could find regardless of compatibility or genuine attraction...even those dudes wanna play games and fancy themselves “playas”.

Plenty of regular degular dudes mess over good women and cheat on them just like other dudes.

The typical bullshyt marriage package that a lot of dudes wanna pitch (I.e. he makes the rules, but split the bills 50/50, while u do all the domestic chores, and don’t complain about anything, even him disrespecting you by cheating on you, while also expecting unwavering loyalty) is a no-go. The only reason women did that shyt was a result of centuries of forced arranged marriages, brainwashing, shaming, and lack of economic options.

Women want long-term companionship but they not willing to sacrifice autonomy, sexual satisfaction, attraction, love and happiness to get it. Anymore.

Marriage has been de-incentivized for women. Offering dikk and HOH babble and shaming tactics just ain’t enough to make a chick wanna chase a dude who makes her clit hide, to put up with him cheating on her and basically be his roommate. AND deal with wack strokes. FOEHVA!
:mjlol:
Birth control wasn’t the harbinger of this shyt. Increased educational and economic opportunities for women was. If chicks can do better they will do better, whether it’s with a dude or not.:yeshrug:

There's a lot of truth in this.

Men (especially Black men) don't want to hear that a lot of the armor that women (especially Black women) have put up is due to watching their mothers, grandmothers, aunties, etc. . .get dogged out, cheated on, and beat on for years.

Of course those women are gonna grow up viewing marriage as something they could take or leave

And we as Black men have to also question all that "playa" shyt that goes back to the '70s and how it helped to drive a wedge between Black men & women in our community.

nikkaz wanna blame Hip-Hop for everything, but all that "Superfly" "Goldie" shyt probably inspired just as much fukkery.
 

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Women want long-term companionship but they not willing to sacrifice autonomy, sexual satisfaction, attraction, love and happiness to get it. Anymore.

Its not about sacrifice. If you can’t attract a man who has those traits it’s because you don’t possess the qualities to get a man who is loving attractive and sexually skilled. All woman want it but few can attract it. They lack desirability


As for cheating that’s entirely women’s fault. Men shouldn’t have these sexual options. It’s not a common problem in stricter societies as most women keep there’s legs closed. Women want to be able to sleep around and then wonder why men can’t resist. We aren’t wired to resist. A man can populate a whole village and will if you let him.
 

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It’s delusions. They hate any implication that they might be just as fukked as the “hoes” they keep encountering.

Society is filled with losers of both genders. The women aren’t aware of it tho. They’ll be complete failures and thinking they can land some super eligible dudes
 
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