Marcus Garvey Wrote a Letter to White Supremacist Earnest Cox Calling Negros Lazy

[The Plug]

Anybody else finds it weird that pro Black leaders always seem to reach out to ws?

A lot of them think and believe in damn near the same thing.

 

[philmonroe]

I probably hit a nerve, but I know and you know this is true. It's not completely our fault. We live in a majority white society that has defined the standard of beauty as a white woman. So the closer a person is to that ideal, the more "beautiful" she is considered.

I'm not breaking new ground here.

How could you probably hit a nerve? I know you learned that routine from lame bytches but you just can't imply some shyt with no proof at all. You online overcompensating black cacs are the fukking worst. I don't know its true because I live in the real world not just online trying to get pats on the head from bytches you'll never see or sleep with. It is ugly people regardless of complexion so that's why you sound stupid as shyt. All this LS are better because they're closer to white is propaganda by ugly bytches and their no p*ssy getting simps.

 

[philmonroe]

A lot of them think and believe in damn near the same thing.

Everybody does just tailored to their own group.

 

[Robbie3000]

they were hoteps



Jamaican like Garvey



meeting with the clan in itself ISN'T a problem, especially if the two sides mutually agree on the separation of the races. Garvey's mistake was a he took the extra mile and started spouting/cosigning their more ridiculous talking points + at the same time was practically praying for Southern Aframs to get lynched so they would run to his organization for protection



If you come from a heterogeneous population/ethnicity, this can better be explained or to a degree, forgiven......now, if you come from homogenous population or preach "true negroism" like Garvey did but you show otherwise

So you excuse Malcom, Ali and Fred Hampton meeting with the KKK, but can't excuse Garver for the same thing of Belafonte for pawging.

So basically ADOS good, immigrant bad. Gotcha.

 

[The Plug]

So thecoli, we against Garvey, Malcolm X, and everyone but PAWGer MLK and Boule W.E.B. DeBois now?

When did coli hate Malcolm?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

So you excuse Malcom, Ali and Fred Hampton meeting with the KKK, but can't excuse Garver for the same thing

I just explained a million times why they aren't the same. Let's take a look at the approach + goals of Malcolm/NOI when they met with the KKK

At an NOI gathering in Atlanta, 33-year-old Jeremiah X rushed up and handed over over the message, as if passing along a burning ember. The communiqué caught Malcolm totally by surprise. It proposed a meeting between the two groups and implied that they had a lot in common. The two Muslim ministers read the cable several times, probing the missive for motive. Who exactly was this W.S. Fellows, who had signed the telegram? The inclusion of his phone number, with an exchange that indicated he lived in the Grant Park section of the city, suggested that he awaited an answer. Was this a veiled threat? A setup? The Klan did not normally send its messages to Black people by day or post them in writing.

The meeting was the beginning of an uneasy alliance between the NOI and the Ku Klux Klan on shared goals of racial separation. It was also the beginning of Malcolm’s disillusionment with the Black Muslim organization and his embrace of the more mainstream civil rights movement.


During these tumultuous days of racial confrontation, the Nation of Islam operated on a third rail, opposing integration from the Black side of the race divide.

The Klan invitation led to a meeting in Chicago between Jeremiah, Malcolm and NOI leader Elijah Muhammad, also called the Messenger by adherents, where they mulled over what such a meeting might look like.

Malcolm envisioned himself grabbing the Georgia Klan by the ear—and riding the wolf in its very own den, all at the behest of Elijah Muhammad. Once and for all, a squaring-off with the Klan leader could clarify the Muslim stances on integration, Christianity, mixed marriage, the Jews, miscegenation and even violence. The unbridgeable racial chasm could be explained, and the need for the Messenger’s “separate state” highlighted, all in a highly publicized, Atlanta extravaganza with the white knights—featuring Minister Malcolm X. As Malcolm maneuvered for the key role at the Messenger’s table, Jeremiah X listened quietly.

Elijah Muhammad appeared to have other ideas entirely. He struck a note nowhere near as assertive toward the Klan as Malcolm had hoped.

Dispassionate as usual when asserting NOI doctrine, Muhammad stated that his battle was not against whites but for the lost hearts and minds of Black people. Both the Klan and the NOI, Muhammad summarized, opposed integration and race mixing. Each group was on record as opposing the goals of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., although for separate and unequal reasons. The Muslims viewed King as a chief rival. The Klan saw him as a dangerous threat to white hegemony. Moreover, Muhammad allowed for no “hierarchy” among Caucasians on the issue of white supremacy; from the sitting U.S. president to the imperial wizard, all were slammed as “white devils.” Accordingly, the Messenger told his two ministers in Chicago that day that the Muslims and the Klan indeed had similar goals but with different shading. Finally, playing his fingers across his lips, Elijah Muhammad calmly instructed a restrained Malcolm and a resigned Jeremiah X: “You can meet with them devils.”

“We want what they want,” Jeremiah remembered the Messenger stating plainly. However, “let them know that you don’t want segregation; you want separation. We want to be totally separated from you. Give us ours and you have yours. We want ours more or less free and clear. Give us something we can call our own. You just tell them devils that.”

Malcolm stated firmly that Muslims would do anything to defend their beliefs. Resorting to the cover of NOI doctrine, he implied that there would inevitably be violence between the races one day, especially if Black people in America didn’t acquire some land and separate from the white man. Preemptively, he announced that the Black Muslims were not in favor of the established, legal policy of Jim Crow segregation. At no point during the meeting did the Muslim ministers refer to whites as “devils,” blue-eyed or otherwise, as was their usual practice. Still, the two races were said to be incapable of living together in peace. “God Himself” didn’t intend for them to get along together as brothers and sisters “because we are two distinct people,” and “therefore, the Muslims want complete, total separation,” Malcolm stated.


As ordered by the Messenger, the national spokesman of the NOI requested directly that the KKK assist the Muslims in acquiring a piece of land for Blacks, perhaps a county for starters, somewhere in the Deep South. It was pitched as something of a down payment for Blacks who stood absolutely opposed to integration with their open “enemy, the white man,” who hated them without cause.

Having officially placed Elijah Muhammad’s pet proposal on the agenda, Malcolm shifted into fervent, personal eloquence on a major point of clarification: “We are in favor of complete separation of the races—not segregation, separation!”

This stark distinction seemed to puzzle Fellows and the other Klansmen, who nodded quizzically to one another as Malcolm honed more finely the Messenger’s point. The Jim Crow segregation system the Klan was hellbent on preserving, Malcolm deadpanned, had to date given Black people the short end of the stick, and often no stick at all. In abandoning their pursuit of integration, Malcolm stated, Black folks would need a nest egg so they could strike out on their own with a separate but appropriate share of the wealth they had helped accumulate in America. Otherwise, civil rights integrationists would end Black and white progress, or at least shatter racial tranquility.

“We know he lives around here somewhere, but we don’t know where,” said Fellows, in a whisper. He asked Malcolm and Jeremiah directly if the Muslims would reveal where King resided and supply the Klansmen a schedule of his habits and real-time movements when he was in town. Having read Malcolm’s public attacks on King and other civil rights leaders who embraced nonviolence, Fellows had been led to believe that the Muslims saw King as an enemy they had in common. Initially, the Klansman did not state the intended purpose of the surreptitious surveillance—but he left little doubt.

The Klan request embarrassed Malcolm, according to Jeremiah and his wife, and it likely disheartened and shamed him as well. Also, it did not escape Malcolm’s notice that, in contrast to the Christian Reverend King, the Black Muslims drew not a jot of ire from the one white group in America that was universally despised as devils by all Black people, including Malcolm himself. In fact, the Klan was regarding him and Jeremiah, two key ministers of Elijah Muhammad’s Black Muslims, as potential allies. Muhammad had warned his negotiators about Klan skulduggery, but not even the Messenger had anticipated such a cold-blooded request for a joint venture against King. The starkness of the request left Malcolm reeling.

In reply, Malcolm stated emphatically that the Muslims would not participate in any violence against King or any other action “hurting our own kind.” Even though the Honorable Elijah Muhammad considered Dr. King to be leading Black people astray, his national spokesperson stated in as sharp and unmistakable words as Malcolm could muster that the NOI would in no way do physical harm to the SCLC leader. Each of the groups, he repeated, was to take care of its own traitors and hypocrites.

As a white man unaccustomed to Black resistance, and with his Klan cohort cutting their eyes, Fellows maintained the air of a man who had every right to expect compliance. He assured the two Muslim ministers that his group would take care of the dirty work, that nothing would be traceable to their organization. “You don’t have to kill him,” Fellows said flat-out, according to an account Jeremiah subsequently gave during an interview with the author. “We’ll take care of the violence.”

rest here---. ‘Well, What Do You Mean, We Can’t Join the Klan?’


Contrast that with what Garvey was doing and saying: Garvey basically championed Jim Crowism and said black people had no right to consider themselves equal to the "whiteman."

Garvey/UNIA wanted the KKK to harass ADOS in the South so they (blacks) would come to his organization

he cosigned their jim crowism/idiotic thoughts

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said the global afro world hasn't achieved anything to be considered equal to white people

to sum up the difference between Garvey and NOI/Malcolm in their approach to the KKK/Jim Crowisms/white people


Garvey

Malcolm

of Belafonte for pawging.

You know damn well that's a no no, especially for black leaders/public figures. You know how black people took Fred Douglass' marriage to a white woman?


Why Was Frederick Douglass’s Marriage to Helen Pitts Controversial?.

So basically ADOS good, immigrant bad. Gotcha.

nope...see breakdown above

 

[Consigliere]

A lot of false equivalences in here. Garvey being pen pals with klan members and privately giving them emotional and intellectual support is egregious. It’s not comparable to anything that Malcolm or Martin did.

 

[Biscayne]

nikkas tell other nikkas on this board every fcking day to get a job..

And them same nikkas will tell you "I aint doing that kind of work"..

"I aint working for that company for $18 and hr, when the ceo makes 1 billion dollars a year"..

"Thats not enough money, I'd rather sit"..

People out here grinding, while mfers sit on they a$$ making excuses why they don't want to work..

And this mentality isn't limited to black people..

He's not wrong. He's was right then and he would be right now.
Every great black leader has made that same revelation.
Malcolm X has consistently called nikkas out for their handout mentality and their dependence on the welfare state instead of doing for self. Y'all hoe ass typing and tweeting ass nikkas finna cancel Minister X now?

Imagine me cupcaking with a known white suprmacist or klansmen about how lazy I think black ppl are collectively. GTFOH with these spins. There’s a huge difference between constructive criticism to individuals within the race, and telling a white supremacist that you agree with a false collective criticism “Lazy-Negro” archetype.

 

[Biscayne]

I just explained a million times why they aren't the same. Let's take a look at the approach + goals of Malcolm/NOI when they met with the KKK










rest here---. ‘Well, What Do You Mean, We Can’t Join the Klan?’


Contrast that with what Garvey was doing and saying: Garvey basically championed Jim Crowism and said black people had no right to consider themselves equal to the "whiteman."

Garvey/UNIA wanted the KKK to harass ADOS in the South so they (blacks) would come to his organization

he cosigned their jim crowism/idiotic thoughts

.
.
.

said the global afro world hasn't achieved anything to be considered equal to white people

to sum up the difference between Garvey and NOI/Malcolm in their approach to the KKK/Jim Crowisms/white people


Garvey

Malcolm









You know damn well that's a no no, especially for black leaders/public figures. You know how black people took Fred Douglass' marriage to a white woman?


Why Was Frederick Douglass’s Marriage to Helen Pitts Controversial?.





nope...see breakdown above

Glad you’re in here calling out the non sense and disingenuousness. They really bring obtuse and playing dumb. And getting hella daps for it.

 

[GoAggieGo.]

they were hoteps



Jamaican like Garvey



meeting with the clan in itself ISN'T a problem, especially if the two sides mutually agree on the separation of the races. Garvey's mistake was a he took the extra mile and started spouting/cosigning their more ridiculous talking points + at the same time was practically praying for Southern Aframs to get lynched so they would run to his organization for protection



If you come from a heterogeneous population/ethnicity, this can better be explained or to a degree, forgiven......now, if you come from homogenous population or preach "true negroism" like Garvey did but you show otherwise

What’s crazy to me is you have people that will look past the bold. Makes you wonder how they really feel about Black Americans? Breaking it down even further, it makes me wonder how they feel of Southern Black Americans? We know there’s a segment of black folks that were ashamed of our slave ancestors. There’s people; including other black folks that don’t like Black Americans. We also know there’s a segment of black folks that don’t think highly of black Americans in the south. Blacks all over the world have these views; including other black Americans.

 

[BigMan]

no different than what y'all say on here every day.

 

[BigMan]

That's interesting, because your c00n parents fled their country to do exactly what you're accusing us of.

What's up w/ SARS? How come a proud Igbo like yourself ain't working to end that playboy?

i probably won't get a serious answer but why are black people who emigrate c00ns when they are leaving places their ancestors were FORCED to work in for free on but ADOS aren't c00ns for leaving the South in the Great Migration?

 

[Consigliere]

no different than what y'all say on here every day.

people on here are sliding in the dms of kkk members?

or are you making shyt up?

 

[BigMan]

people on here are sliding in the dms of kkk members?

or are you making shyt up?

That quote by Marcus Garvey is near identical to what is posted on here every day. You have a "race card" photo as your avy and your name is taken from wop culture lol don't quote me again

 

[Consigliere]

That quote by Marcus Garvey is near identical to what is posted on here every day. You have a "race card" photo as your avy and your name is taken from wop culture lol don't quote me again

You have superficial judgments. They go well with the false equivalencies.

It shouldn’t need to be said, but there is a huge difference between having these conversations publicly with Black people versus having them in private with white supremacists.

But you knew that. That’s why you reached.