IllmaticDelta
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The Marcus Garvey and Universal Negro Improvement Association Papers: The Caribbean diaspora, 1920-1921
Marcus Garvey was done so wrong
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The Marcus Garvey and Universal Negro Improvement Association Papers: The Caribbean diaspora, 1920-1921
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xoxodede
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Thanks! Any books that cover if he ever spent long periods of time in the South. Like Deep South - where most Black (American) folks was at?
I don't think I have ever read anything about that in the books I have read about him.
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It wasn't just that he had dialogue with them; he basically agreed with some of the more negative/outlandish sh1t they were saying about black people too
Having a stranglehold on Africa isn’t a stupid concept, the only problem is it relies on continental Africans to pull their weight which many haven’t. I don’t think you can knock a man for trying to actually give back the Wealth of the richest continent in the world to its people, and how that could benefit people of that race worldwide.
Africa has been cut apart for hundreds of years, it has had involvement from everyone from the Roman Empire to the British Empire to the CIA and FBI for a reason, any time a prominent leader has arose I.e Patrice Lumamba, these leaders have been compromised using outside forces....
The question is why does the rest of the world have such inter3st in Africa, why do all these leaders dice up the continent and continually involve itself in its business if the continent not of any worth?
The whole reason we’re even able to talk on the internet today, is because of minerals found in Congo, the tech industry that includes conglomerates such as Apple is directly tied to this....
So in my eyes it makes sense for Black people to take extra concern and attention in that continent in an ideal world, nothing wrong with that at all, the Chinese do, the White Europeans and Americans do..... European and American prosperity is directly tied to the suffering and exploitation of that continent, this is complete facts.
There is no hold your own nuts in a global world which relies on Minerals from Africa and the Middle East to exist in its form today.
Africa has been cut apart for hundreds of years, it has had involvement from everyone from the Roman Empire to the British Empire to the CIA and FBI for a reason, any time a prominent leader has arose I.e Patrice Lumamba, these leaders have been compromised using outside forces....
The question is why does the rest of the world have such inter3st in Africa, why do all these leaders dice up the continent and continually involve itself in its business if the continent not of any worth?
The whole reason we’re even able to talk on the internet today, is because of minerals found in Congo, the tech industry that includes conglomerates such as Apple is directly tied to this....
So in my eyes it makes sense for Black people to take extra concern and attention in that continent in an ideal world, nothing wrong with that at all, the Chinese do, the White Europeans and Americans do..... European and American prosperity is directly tied to the suffering and exploitation of that continent, this is complete facts.
There is no hold your own nuts in a global world which relies on Minerals from Africa and the Middle East to exist in its form today.
It wasn't just that he had dialogue with them; he basically agreed with some of the more negative/outlandish sh1t they were saying about black people too
Like what?
xoxodede
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It wasn't just that he had dialogue with them; he basically agreed with some of the more negative/outlandish sh1t they were saying about black people too
Sadly, he was moving really disrespectful and disconnected. I don't even think he saw it as that though.
I don't think if he stayed in the South --- and around people in the South - it would have gotten that far out the pocket.
Someone would have checked him and let him know he was out of pocket -- and shouldn't be trying to speak for or about them (Black Americans).
IllmaticDelta
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I've seen various mentions of it in
The World of Marcus Garvey
Race and Class in Modern Society
Better Day Coming
Blacks and Equality, 1890-2000
The Rise and Fall of the Garvey Movement in the Urban South, 1918-1942
New Negro Politics in the Jim Crow South
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xoxodede
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Where can I find: The Rise and Fall of the Garvey Movement in the Urban South, 1918-1942
Without buying it? It's not on Library Genesis.
IllmaticDelta
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Interesting going to read on this, don’t agree with some of it on the surface, but I tend to feel the best way is to take bits of all these guys which make most sense, find it hard to agree with absolutely everything any of these leaders said.
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It was his tactics/how he was moving that people didn't like; it was basically disrespect to Afram ideals/history
remember, Afram ideals and history is the reason they birthed a Frederick Douglass and Booker T Washington which Garvey admitted was the reason the West Indies never did even though they were emancipated from slavery before black people in the USA
xoxodede
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It was his tactics/how he was moving that people didn't like; it was basically disrespect to Afram ideals/history
remember, Afram ideals and history is the reason they birthed a Frederick Douglass and Booker T Washington which Garvey admitted was the reason the West Indies never did even though they were emancipated from slavery before black people in the USA
I still can't believe Garvey praised him -- and his "personal" friend. I tried to read White America in undergrad and I just got pissed.
Earnest Sevier Cox - Wikipedia
White America