Marcus Garvey was done so wrong

[Akae Beka]

He was -- but his assumption that Native Blacks did not know that was where he was wrong. They didn't need for him to meet and work with the KKK to tell them that.

Mr. Garvey's relationship to race and White Supremacy -- was extremely different than those in America.

Native Blacks were either freedman (recently freed enslaved) and their children/grandchildren when Garvey entered this country. They were less than 25 years out of being enslaved -- and now going through Reconstruction and Jim Crow/Black code laws. A demonic time in white terrorism.

Different relationship and experience.

Garvey was taught White Supremacy and what it looked like from being in America. Native Blacks didn't need to be taught or told how whites felt about them. Garvey spent years traveling trying to shape his views about race -- Native Blacks didn't have the opportunity -- nor did they need to learn -they were living it. Garvey was in NYC -- were 1 out 5 Native Blacks were located -- and they were not dealing with the lynchings and violence on the scale of Jim Crow South.

That's great he received praised from Malcolm and MLK -- he deserved it for his efforts.

But, he didn't teach Native Blacks anything about White Supremacy and how whites felt about them. Blacks were under no fairytale on how they felt. They have always made that extremely clear. His opinions and strategies on how Native Blacks should move and fight for their rights in this country was off and wrong. Most can see that today.


Mr. Garvey:

Marcus Garvey was born and raised in St. Ann’s Bay, Jamaica. Garvey wasn’t aware of any racial segregation during his young life. Garvey was raised in segregation of whites and blacks, but he had a few white childhood friends. However, at age 14, Garvey was called "******" by one of his white friends and was told that his white friends were not allowed to see him anymore (Sewell 18). This was his first taste of racism; Garvey’s eyes were opened to all of the racism surrounding him. After that, he was no longer close to any white people, and racism and inequality became prevalent forces in Garvey’s life. St. Ann’s Bay was an impoverished town made up of peasants (Stein 24). Garvey’s parents were intellectuals, but there was no work for them in the industrial country of Jamaica. The Garveys were forced to work as laborers. Marcus and his sister, Indiana, were also forced to work in order for the family to have enough money to survive. Garvey had to quit school and begin working when he was 14 (Sewell 18).

By 1910, Garvey had made a name for himself in Jamaica as an accomplished printer, writer and politician. Garvey joined The National Club, the first organization in Jamaica which introduced anti-colonial thinking into Jamaica (Sewell 21). The inequality that Marcus Garvey encountered in the world outside of lower school in Jamaica was full of inequality and hatred for the black man. Garvey decided to leave Jamaica to see if blacks were treated the same way in other countries. Garvey spent the next two years, from 1910-1912, traveling around Central America experiencing the black condition in several countries (Sewell 18). He experienced the same condition around Central America as he found in Jamaica. So, he traveled to England to see if he found the same. In England, Garvey was pleasantly surprised. The blacks in England were not segregated, like in the west (Stein 29). Garvey took courses at Birbeck College in England. However, he studied a lot on his own, visiting museums and following black leaders in England (Stein 29).

Many of his ideas were developed during his stay in England (Stein 30). Garvey identified closely with the Pan-African movement in England. The main principle of this movement was "to unify people of color against imperialism all over the world" (McKissack 79). Garvey returned to Jamaica in 1914 and founded the United Negro Improvement Association. ​

Will take my time to read through this later but thanks for the reading material

 

[xoxodede]

Did you hear it come from Garvey that he wanted to be funded by whites or is it hearsay? Just curious.

Here are a few sources:

Garvey and his supporters reached out to white segregationists — including " Earnest Sevier Cox of Richmond, Virginia — in an effort to solicit financial and political support for the UNIA’s Liberia plan. In a controversial decision that generated widespread criticism, Garvey later held a meeting with Edward Young Clarke, acting imperial wizard of the KKK, in 1922.

Earnest Sevier Cox (January 24, 1880 – April 26, 1966) was an American Methodist preacher, political activist and white-supremacist. He is best known for his political campaigning in favor of stricter segregation between blacks and whites in the United States through tougher anti-miscegenation laws, and for his advocacy for "repatriation" of African Americans to Africa, and for his book White America.[1][2] He is also noted for having mediated collaboration between white southern segregationists and African American separatist organizations such as UNIA and the Peace Movement of Ethiopia to advocate for repatriation legislation, and for having been a personal friend of black racial separatist Marcus Garvey.​

In 1924 Grant suggested that Cox attend a lecture of African American racial activist Marcus Garvey, whose organization UNIA shared Grant and Cox' passion for racial purity and considered repatriation of African Americans to the African continent to be the only way to salvation of their respective races. In 1924 Cox attended as the only white man, a lecture by Garvey, and after that the two became collaborators, even friends, working conjointly to promoting legislative measures that would allow American Blacks to migrate to Africa. In one of his books, Garvey presented a full page ad for Cox' book White America, without charge. Garvey also endorsed the book as providing the solution to the "negro Problem", namely the "separation of the races". UNIA also promoted and sold Cox' book, distributing 17,000 copies in Detroit in the 1920s. When Garvey was imprisoned Cox and Powell campaigned for his release, Cox even pleading with the Secretary of Labor.[6] The collaboration between Cox and Garvey ended in 1927 when Garvey was deported to Jamaica, although the friendship between the two persisted.[2][6] Late in his life Garvey praised Cox and Bilbo, stating that "These two white men have done wonderfully well for the Negro and should not be forgotten." Cox in turn dedicated his 1925 book Let My People Go to Garvey, and referred to their relation as a "spiritual understanding."[10][11]

Cox continued to collaborate with UNIA and later with the Peace Movement of Ethiopia.[2][11] In 1936 Cox visited Grant who was by then confined to bed by illness, but who nonetheless agreed to create a $10,000 endowment to fund lobby activities in congress for repatriation and deportation legislation. Grant did not live to make good on his promise, but his friend Wickliffe Draper did it for him and also funded additional printings of Cox' book.[6]

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Garvey's view of the Klan as white America's "invisible government" was not as crazy as it might seem. Grant would have us believe that the Klan was a predominately southern organization at this point, but in fact it was an immense national institution with an enormous popular following (the Klan marched down the Main Streets of northern cities) and with members and fellow travelers in the highest reaches of state and national governments. Rather than vilified, the Klan was widely celebrated--witness the tremendous popularity of Birth of a Nation, even in the viewing room of the White House under Woodrow Wilson--as the savior of Anglo-Saxon America, as a pillar of a nation reborn on a foundation of white supremacy. Few black leaders outside the UNIA shared Garvey's optimism. His meeting with the Klan unleashed a torrent of criticism, if not outrage, that blasted through public forums and the black press. Some of the attacks reeked of personal vengeance, but many critics were aghast that he would consort with "Negro lynchers" or so publicly surrender black rights in the United States. A. Philip Randolph, who introduced Garvey to the street audiences of Harlem in 1917, now launched a "Marcus Garvey Must Go" campaign.

In September 1924 Cox entered into an unlikely alliance with Marcus Garvey, the Jamaican-born black nationalist who founded the Universal Negro Improvement Association. Garvey's black nationalism stood in stark contrast to Cox's racial views, but Garvey nonetheless shared Cox's belief that the repatriation of blacks to Africa offered the only viable solution to the nation's racial issues. For his part, Garvey had concluded that blacks would never receive a fair chance in the United States and thus must leave. Cox wrote an open letter read at a UNIA meeting and dedicated his booklet Let My People Go (1925) to Garvey. The partnership between Cox and Garvey ended in 1927 when federal authorities deported Garvey after his conviction for mail fraud.

Source: https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Cox_Earnest_Sevier_1880-1966#start_entry


Garvey also appeared increasingly intent on reaching some accommodation with the powers-that-be in the United States. In June 1922, most controversially, Garvey met in Atlanta with the acting imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The invitation had been extended by the KKK, which sympathized with the UNIA's new emphasis on race purity and its long-standing goal of establishing a black nation in Africa. For his part, Garvey believed that the Klan represented "the invisible government of America," which was set on maintaining white supremacy. In a sense, the meeting brought together leaders of two shadow governments who could discuss their common interests--a realpolitik of American racial politics--and Garvey claimed to have been pleased by what he heard. (Rumors circulated that the imperial wizard would buy stock in the Black Star Line.)

The Discovery Of Pride​

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

You should read this: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.498.2536&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Garvey was trying to figure it all out -- he actually looked up to Whites and their cultures.

Reading it makes more sense

Garvey was a segrationist and believe in race purity. He also wanted a all black nation In Africa so there were similarties with other groups far as segregationist.




He didn't believe In the ideology of kkk that blacks were inferior or anything like that tho


But I agree it wasn't his place to tell native blacks to go back to Africa. And the us gov isn't gonna let they cashed cow leave.


Him not being a native black there was things he didn't understand about Ados blacks.

His efforts deserve respect tho

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Garvey liked Ados unlike u

So he wouldn't fukk with u

I'm not the one rejecting others based on origin unlike yourself.

Plus Garvey is the father of modern Pan Africanism, something you and your people constantly ridicule.

Please take your backwards logic elsewhere.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

I'm not the one rejecting others based on origin unlike yourself.

Plus Garvey is the father of modern Pan Africanism, something you and your people constantly ridicule.

Please take your backwards logic elsewhere.

I seen u call out africans so u not as tribal as I thought.

I'm a big Garvey fan.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I seen u call out africans so u not as tribal as I thought.

I'm a big Garvey fan.

If your a big garvey fan, then you should be against going at other blacks no matter thier origin as we're all part of a global African family. Blacks all over the diaspora need to marshall their strengths and work together to end white supremacy on a global level.

I challenge you to read the Negro with a Hat book and get inspired breh. Garvey achieved immense success in the analog era. We have no excuse in this internet age to not be connecting globally and building.

Anyone preaching anti-black, divisive rhetoric, is clearly pro white supremacy in my opinion.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

If your a big garvey fan, then you should be against going at other blacks no matter thier origin as we're all part of a global African family. Blacks all over the diaspora need to Marshall their strengths and work together to end white supremacists global level.

I challenge you to read the Negro with a Hat book and get inspired breh. Garvey achieved immense success in the analog era. We have no excuse in this internet age to not be connecting globally and building.

Anyone preaching anti-black, divisive rhetoric, is clearly pro white supremacists in my opinion.

Ados blacks have specific needs in America.

U can fight white supremacy on ur Homeland and globally.

 

[Thegospel]

Here are a few sources:

Garvey and his supporters reached out to white segregationists — including " Earnest Sevier Cox of Richmond, Virginia — in an effort to solicit financial and political support for the UNIA’s Liberia plan. In a controversial decision that generated widespread criticism, Garvey later held a meeting with Edward Young Clarke, acting imperial wizard of the KKK, in 1922.

Earnest Sevier Cox (January 24, 1880 – April 26, 1966) was an American Methodist preacher, political activist and white-supremacist. He is best known for his political campaigning in favor of stricter segregation between blacks and whites in the United States through tougher anti-miscegenation laws, and for his advocacy for "repatriation" of African Americans to Africa, and for his book White America.[1][2] He is also noted for having mediated collaboration between white southern segregationists and African American separatist organizations such as UNIA and the Peace Movement of Ethiopia to advocate for repatriation legislation, and for having been a personal friend of black racial separatist Marcus Garvey.​

In 1924 Grant suggested that Cox attend a lecture of African American racial activist Marcus Garvey, whose organization UNIA shared Grant and Cox' passion for racial purity and considered repatriation of African Americans to the African continent to be the only way to salvation of their respective races. In 1924 Cox attended as the only white man, a lecture by Garvey, and after that the two became collaborators, even friends, working conjointly to promoting legislative measures that would allow American Blacks to migrate to Africa. In one of his books, Garvey presented a full page ad for Cox' book White America, without charge. Garvey also endorsed the book as providing the solution to the "negro Problem", namely the "separation of the races". UNIA also promoted and sold Cox' book, distributing 17,000 copies in Detroit in the 1920s. When Garvey was imprisoned Cox and Powell campaigned for his release, Cox even pleading with the Secretary of Labor.[6] The collaboration between Cox and Garvey ended in 1927 when Garvey was deported to Jamaica, although the friendship between the two persisted.[2][6] Late in his life Garvey praised Cox and Bilbo, stating that "These two white men have done wonderfully well for the Negro and should not be forgotten." Cox in turn dedicated his 1925 book Let My People Go to Garvey, and referred to their relation as a "spiritual understanding."[10][11]

Cox continued to collaborate with UNIA and later with the Peace Movement of Ethiopia.[2][11] In 1936 Cox visited Grant who was by then confined to bed by illness, but who nonetheless agreed to create a $10,000 endowment to fund lobby activities in congress for repatriation and deportation legislation. Grant did not live to make good on his promise, but his friend Wickliffe Draper did it for him and also funded additional printings of Cox' book.[6]

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Garvey's view of the Klan as white America's "invisible government" was not as crazy as it might seem. Grant would have us believe that the Klan was a predominately southern organization at this point, but in fact it was an immense national institution with an enormous popular following (the Klan marched down the Main Streets of northern cities) and with members and fellow travelers in the highest reaches of state and national governments. Rather than vilified, the Klan was widely celebrated--witness the tremendous popularity of Birth of a Nation, even in the viewing room of the White House under Woodrow Wilson--as the savior of Anglo-Saxon America, as a pillar of a nation reborn on a foundation of white supremacy. Few black leaders outside the UNIA shared Garvey's optimism. His meeting with the Klan unleashed a torrent of criticism, if not outrage, that blasted through public forums and the black press. Some of the attacks reeked of personal vengeance, but many critics were aghast that he would consort with "Negro lynchers" or so publicly surrender black rights in the United States. A. Philip Randolph, who introduced Garvey to the street audiences of Harlem in 1917, now launched a "Marcus Garvey Must Go" campaign.

In September 1924 Cox entered into an unlikely alliance with Marcus Garvey, the Jamaican-born black nationalist who founded the Universal Negro Improvement Association. Garvey's black nationalism stood in stark contrast to Cox's racial views, but Garvey nonetheless shared Cox's belief that the repatriation of blacks to Africa offered the only viable solution to the nation's racial issues. For his part, Garvey had concluded that blacks would never receive a fair chance in the United States and thus must leave. Cox wrote an open letter read at a UNIA meeting and dedicated his booklet Let My People Go (1925) to Garvey. The partnership between Cox and Garvey ended in 1927 when federal authorities deported Garvey after his conviction for mail fraud.

Source: https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Cox_Earnest_Sevier_1880-1966#start_entry


Garvey also appeared increasingly intent on reaching some accommodation with the powers-that-be in the United States. In June 1922, most controversially, Garvey met in Atlanta with the acting imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The invitation had been extended by the KKK, which sympathized with the UNIA's new emphasis on race purity and its long-standing goal of establishing a black nation in Africa. For his part, Garvey believed that the Klan represented "the invisible government of America," which was set on maintaining white supremacy. In a sense, the meeting brought together leaders of two shadow governments who could discuss their common interests--a realpolitik of American racial politics--and Garvey claimed to have been pleased by what he heard. (Rumors circulated that the imperial wizard would buy stock in the Black Star Line.)

The Discovery Of Pride​

So it never came from his mouth.

 

[xoxodede]

So it never came from his mouth.

I assume it did - but who knows. Not going to front like I do. Can only go off sources.

 

[WaveGang]

Couple fun facts... GARVEYS group even had chapters in Spain. shyt was huge, remember this is before the Internet.

And the guy who supplied wrigleys gum with the plants used to make the shyt. From Belize I believe, helped fund Garvey. Very rich man

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

when I found out about Bayard Rustin

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Q

But I didn't shyt on him tho. The same white liberals running game on us now had him making moves that were symbolically impactful but tactically useless

Only on the coli is bringing the end to domestic terrorism against blacks ala Jim Crow considered tactically useless...

 

[HellRell804]

Q


Only on the coli is bringing the end to domestic terrorism against blacks ala Jim Crow considered tactically useless...

I know right, because black people abandoning their neighborhoods and businesses to support white ones was such a smashing success

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I know right, because black people abandoning their neighborhoods and businesses to support white ones was such a smashing success

So you’re saying the only reason the best and brightest lived amongst their own race was because they were forced too under policy that was the antithesis of egalitarianism?

And on top of that, you don’t believe in natural law and that any man, regardless of race, creed, or religion, should be allowed freedom of movement?

 

[HellRell804]

So you’re saying the only reason the best and brightest lived amongst their own race was because they were forced too under policy that was the antithesis of egalitarianism?

And on top of that, you don’t believe in natural law and that any man, regardless of race, creed, or religion, should be allowed freedom of movement?

1

Black people didn't have the propaganda advantage of white media so from integration til now, the majority of black folks view white areas as "good" and "safe" while they view black areas as "hood" and "dangerous". No white people started supporting white businesses or tried to live in black neighborhoods without moving the current population.

2.
I believe in the freedom for a PRIVATE business to do whatever they want. If a business can publicly say they don't serve any group and still stay in business proves there's a demand. Besides, I dont want to patronize any establishment that wouldn't have me unless they were forced.