Magic & Pat Riley - "We would sweep the Warriors"

[Derekjackson2]

This years finals aren't over yet so don't get ahead of yourselves. I saw the spurs in game 1 run the warriors for the first half. Threes go cold. No one mentioned Rambis or Green controlling the boards & the paint something Love & Thompson aren't doing. Golden state is getting one shot most of the time & Magic is attacking the rim. Kareem is in better shape & better player than McGee & zaza right now. No sweep by the warriors will need 50 points games from at least two stars a night to win the series.

 

[Shadow King]

Jabar has no peer at the C position
Magic has no peer at the PG position
Worthy has no peer at the SF position
Byron = Klay
M. Cooper shut down Curry

Yeah I can see a sweep, and that team could have played in this era.

Golden State in 6

 

[ISO]

He would be, LaVine lacks Jordan's strength & speed and Wiggins doesn't have his body control or speed in the open court.

I'm not jacking that "by far" you claimed though

LaVine and Wiggins have more hops

LaVine's lane agility (faster than Derrick Rose) and 3/4th court sprint times are some of the most impressive I've seen

Jordan stands out more in footage against inferior athletes and is able to showcase his athletic ability more due to superior skills on top of his athletic ability. Also, Wiggins and LaVine are now at the age that MJ was when he came into the league.

 

[Malta]

I'm not jacking that "by far" you claimed though

LaVine and Wiggins have more hops

LaVine's lane agility (faster than Derrick Rose) and 3/4th court sprint times are some of the most impressive I've seen

Jordan stands out more in footage against inferior athletes and is able to showcase his athletic ability more due to superior skills on top of his athletic ability. Also, Wiggins and LaVine are now at the age that MJ was when he came into the league.

I think it's by far, Jordan ran a 4.3 40 at UNC, jumping higher doesn't make you a better athlete when the other guy is quicker, faster, stronger and more agile.

Jordan stands out in a vacuum, the video I posted his first step alone is just levels when you compare it to other guys. You don't need a defender to see how quickly someone is moving and how much ground they can cover.

 

[MoneyTron]

I think it's by far, Jordan ran a 4.3 40 at UNC, jumping higher doesn't make you a better athlete when the other guy is quicker, faster, stronger and more agile.

Jordan stands out in a vacuum, the video I posted his first step alone is just levels when you compare it to other guys. You don't need a defender to see how quickly someone is moving and how much ground they can cover.

Yeah, Lavine and Wiggins can go vertical but they can't get close to MJ's lateral quickness. Dude was just elite at everything athletically.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

like i siad if the warriors make 30 3s a game they will win.

Riley is a way better coach and kerr or brown, he would scheme defensively and put matchups and tempo in his teams favor.

kareem would struggle defensively, but again who's guarding him? Assuming we talking about the 87 finals Cap AVG 22-8 going against a HOF front line of parish, mchale and bird at 39 years old. Please tell me who's guarding him? Green would foul out and zaza wouldnt play and mcgee is 2 stupid to guard cap.

no a 31 year old dantley is not better than a 28 year old KD at scoring. You act like i said durant would avg 10 or some shyt. He's going to score, but worthy is going to light his ass up and get him in foul trouble, or green or iggy whomever.

 

[MoneyTron]

You hit the nail on the head. I recall reading a column that Kareem wrote after the 2012 finals ended where he was talking about how philosophies offensively had changed, and he gave a game of the 1984 finals as an example. The lakers and Celtics both scored 120+ in regulation and that the both of them combined to take maybe 20 shots from distance. Think about the pace you have to play at to reach those numbers. Now think about what taking 25-35 threes instead of 5-10 threes will do to that point total. That lakers team played at a pace of about 104. The average score of their games was 116-112. The warriors play at a pace of about 100 and the average score of their games are 116-104. That's 4 fewer possessions and they score as much while allowing 8 fewer points. It adds up real quick.

Exactly.

The Warriors shot 43 3's last game at a 40%+ clip. The Lakers wouldn't know what hit them.

At the pace the old Lakers were running, who knows what could happen.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Golden State isn't beating any all time great team that has a dominant center. That's pretty obvious

That "dominant center" going to be shutting down Curry, Durant and Klay all at the same time?

 

[teacher]

if showtime can slow the game down and dump it down to the cap, worthy, green they winning...but I don't see them keeping up if the strategy is run and gun.

 

[ISO]

I think it's by far, Jordan ran a 4.3 40 at UNC, jumping higher doesn't make you a better athlete when the other guy is quicker, faster, stronger and more agile.

Jordan stands out in a vacuum, the video I posted his first step alone is just levels when you compare it to other guys. You don't need a defender to see how quickly someone is moving and how much ground they can cover.

Receipts on that 4.3, any video? LeBron ran a 4.4 and was a legitimate NFL WR prospect and a ran a 4.6 in Miami and young LeBron always seemed faster in the open floor than MJ did, especially rookie Bron who was damn near John Wall/Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook status

Is this your source from SI?
"Smith says Jordan is the hardest worker he's ever coached. In high school Jordan hustled so, he was nicknamed The Rabbit. Rabbit, run. When he enrolled at Chapel Hill, Jordan ran the 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds. This fall he ran a 4.3."

This is B.S., there's no way Jordan went from a 4.6 to a 4.3 in a year, that is a huge difference, shaving off a whole .3 off your 40 is unprecedented. Track stars and NFL prospects dream of doing some shyt like that. Either the timer was busted or there's some fabrication/hyperbole used by Dean Smith to prop up Jordan.

There is a lot of heresy about Jordan's athletic ability, such as the rumor that he has a 48 inch vertical when he actually never measured his vertical leap at a combine. His last recorded vertical was at North Carolina where he did a 42 inch leap, at 48 inches that would mean he could damn near touch the top of the backboard and be head level on every dunk. That's an entire 4-8 inches higher than guys like Vince Carter, LeBron James, Dominique Wilkins. Andrew Wiggins and Zach LaVine have legit 44 and 46 inch verticals respectively with receipts on deck. LaVine is legitimate head at the rim status, like LeBron used to be consistently.

And again better ball skills, more fire, and stands out more among inferior athletes. Wiggins first step is lightning too he gets by with a weak handle because of it, also he's the son of an Olympic track star and NBA player. My nikka Wiggins pulled off a 720 dunk.

Also, if you're talking strength its not fair to gauge. Jordan at Wiggins age was playing in a league where the average player was 6'6 3/4ths 207 lb., Wiggins is playing in a league where the average player is 6'7 221 lb. Jordan was 6'6 195 lb. in his league, Wiggins is 6'8 200 lb. today. When you look at them they look similar in cut and both are wiry strong.

They have the same physique, Andrew is Maple Jordan for a reason

They're at his level, and each have certain advantages over each other in different aspects of athletic ability, I'm not buying the "by far", you may give Jordan a slight edge because of his hand size and hangtime

Jordan's biggest advantage is his Rondo/Kawhi level hands it's why he can hang in the air with the ball palmed and do that type of wizardry in the air.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Lakers of the 80s was running every team out of the building and they had a great front court. Their lengths would have been a problem for the Warriors.

And what does that have to do with this current Warriors squad?

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

I can see them getting roughed up by the '04 Pistons because they have an answer at every position

 

[Kinguno]

Didn't this team get swept lol

Which era's rules would they be playing with?

Will hand checking be allowed and illegal defenses being called?

Everybody plays with hand checking growing up

None of the Lakers can guard KD OR CURRY MAN TO MAN

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I can see them getting roughed up by the '04 Pistons because they have an answer at every position

The pistons couldn't score for shyt. They averaged 83 points in the semifinals against the nets and 75 points in the conference finals against the pacers. They had 2-3 guys to account for from distance. They weren't built to handle modern offenses. Basically they won the east because someone had to win it and won the finals because the lakers were self destructing. They weren't some juggernaut either. They went just 54-28 on the season, same as the 2004-05 team. The 2007-08 team had a fantastic offense though and managed to win 59 games.

 

[mastermind]

Receipts on that 4.3, any video? LeBron ran a 4.4 and was a legitimate NFL WR prospect and a 4.6 in Miami and young LeBron always seemed faster in the open floor than MJ did, especially rookie Bron who was damn near John Wall/Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook status

Is this your source from SI?
"Smith says Jordan is the hardest worker he's ever coached. In high school Jordan hustled so, he was nicknamed The Rabbit. Rabbit, run. When he enrolled at Chapel Hill, Jordan ran the 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds. This fall he ran a 4.3."

This is B.S., there's no way Jordan went from a 4.6 to a 4.3 in a year, that is a huge difference, shaving off a whole .3. Track stars and NFL prospects dream of doing some shyt like that. Either the timer was busted or there's some fabrication/hyperbole used by Dean Smith to prop up Jordan.

There is a lot of heresy about Jordan's athletic ability, such as the rumor that he has a 48 inch vertical when he actually never measured his vertical leap at a combine. His last recorded vertical was at North Carolina where he did a 42 inch leap, at 48 inches that would mean he could damn near touch the top of the backboard and be head level on every dunk. That's an entire 4-8 inches higher than guys like Vince Carter, LeBron James, Dominique Wilkins.

And again better ball skills, more fire, and stands out more among inferior athletes, Wiggins first step is lightning too he gets by with a weak handle because of it also he's the son of an Olympic track star and NBA player. My nikka Wiggins pulled off a 720 dunk.


They're at his level, and each have certain advantages over each other in different aspects of athletic ability, I'm not buying the "by far", I give Jordan a slight edge because of his hand size and hangtime