Magic & Pat Riley - "We would sweep the Warriors"

[One]

This is @Jplaya2023 in a nutshell, he really asked "Who gonna keep Kareem off the boards" because he's taking Milwaukee Kareem and placing him onto the Lakers, not realizing that adjusted for pace Kareem was actually a terrible rebounder from 1980-89, he averaged 7.2rpg playing at a faster league wide pace.

That moment when even after being adjusted for pace Kareem still averages more rebounds than any center from ages 32-41

 

[Malta]

Receipts on that 4.3, any video? LeBron ran a 4.4 and was a legitimate NFL WR prospect and a 4.6 in Miami and young LeBron always seemed faster in the open floor than MJ did, especially rookie Bron who was damn near John Wall/Derrick Rose/Russell Westbrook status

Is this your source from SI?
"Smith says Jordan is the hardest worker he's ever coached. In high school Jordan hustled so, he was nicknamed The Rabbit. Rabbit, run. When he enrolled at Chapel Hill, Jordan ran the 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds. This fall he ran a 4.3."

This is B.S., there's no way Jordan went from a 4.6 to a 4.3 in a year, that is a huge difference, shaving off a whole .3. Track stars and NFL prospects dream of doing some shyt like that. Either the timer was busted or there's some fabrication/hyperbole used by Dean Smith to prop up Jordan.

There is a lot of heresy about Jordan's athletic ability, such as the rumor that he has a 48 inch vertical when he actually never measured his vertical leap at a combine. His last recorded vertical was at North Carolina where he did a 42 inch leap, at 48 inches that would mean he could damn near touch the top of the backboard and be head level on every dunk. That's an entire 4-8 inches higher than guys like Vince Carter, LeBron James, Dominique Wilkins. Andrew Wiggins and Zach LaVine have legit 44 and 46 inch verticals respectively with receipts on deck.

And again better ball skills, more fire, and stands out more among inferior athletes, Wiggins first step is lightning too he gets by with a weak handle because of it also he's the son of an Olympic track star and NBA player. My nikka Wiggins pulled off a 720 dunk.

Also, if you're talking strength its not fair to gauge. Jordan at Wiggins age was playing in a league where the average player was 6'6 3/4ths 207 lb., Wiggins is playing in a league where the average player is 6'7 221 lb. Jordan was 6'6 195 lb. in his league, Wiggins is 6'8 200 lb. today. When you look at them they look similar in cut and both are wiry strong.

They have the same physique, Andrew is Maple Jordan for a reason

They're at his level, and each have certain advantages over each other in different aspects of athletic ability, I'm not buying the "by far", you may give Jordan a slight edge because of his hand size and hangtime

Jordan's biggest advantage is his Rondo/Kawhi level hands it's why he can hang in the air with the ball palmed and do that type of wizardry in the air.

Yes, SI is the source, breh we really asking for videos from 1981? Nobody doubts the LeBron 4.4 40, even though there's no video on it.


I don't believe the 48" vertical at all, which is why I already said Wiggins and LaVine jump higher because it's verifiable just through watching them. Just like if you go back and rewatch footage of Jordan, regardless of whether a defender is near him or not he is ridiculously fast in the open court and incredibly quick with his first step.


Jordan was 195lbs when he came into the league, not sure why you're only comparing him at that point when he eventually got over 200lbs and was noticeably thicker (pause ) by his 3rd-4th years in the league while still retaining his speed & quickness. Wiggins doesn't even lift weights like that, that's how it's far to say Jordan is stronger -
Report: Timberwolves 'lament' Andrew Wiggins missing weight-lifting sessions - Sportsnaut.com

Wiggins is going into his 4th season next year, is it really fair to compare his body (pause ) to Mike's when he's essentially the same weight as when he was drafted?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

That moment when even after being adjusted for pace Kareem still averages more rebounds than any center from ages 32-41

That's besides the point. Kareem isn't going to be matching up with centers every night.

This is @Jplaya2023 in a nutshell, he really asked "Who gonna keep Kareem off the boards" because he's taking Milwaukee Kareem and placing him onto the Lakers, not realizing that adjusted for pace Kareem was actually a terrible rebounder from 1980-89, he averaged 7.2rpg playing at a faster league wide pace.

2k does this too . They gave 2003-04 Richard Hamilton an 80 for three point shooting when he shot 26.5% from deep that year, gave 1997-98 Jordan an 80 when he shot 23.4% from deep that year, and 1986-87 Kareem is a 94 overall too.

 

[Malta]

That moment when even after being adjusted for pace Kareem still averages more rebounds than any center from ages 32-41

Yes, I'm sure the Warriors would have to worry about his potential 1.9 offensive rebounds

 

[Real N Quotes]

RUN to this topic, fanatics. RUN

They would. Showtime was the greatest show on Court

 

[One]

That's besides the point. Kareem isn't going to be matching up with centers every night.

That's not besides the point, it was actually the topic of discussion, aside from that, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, are you saying there are centers around now who will challenge Kareem or are you trying to make the case that Kareem only played bum centers?

Yes, I'm sure the Warriors would have to worry about his potential 1.9 offensive rebounds

Oh yeah, he's going to accrue exactly 1.9 offensive rebounds on a game by game basis, nothing more, that's exactly how averages work.

 

[ISO]

Yes, SI is the source, breh we really asking for videos from 1981? Nobody doubts the LeBron 4.4 40, even though there's no video on it.


I don't believe the 48" vertical at all, which is why I already said Wiggins and LaVine jump higher because it's verifiable just through watching them. Just like if you go back and rewatch footage of Jordan, regardless of whether a defender is near him or not he is ridiculously fast in the open court and incredibly quick with his first step.


Jordan was 195lbs when he came into the league, not sure why you're only comparing him at that point when he eventually got over 200lbs and was noticeably thicker (pause ) by his 3rd-4th years in the league while still retaining his speed & quickness. Wiggins doesn't even lift weights like that, that's how it's far to say Jordan is stronger -
Report: Timberwolves 'lament' Andrew Wiggins missing weight-lifting sessions - Sportsnaut.com

Wiggins is going into his 4th season next year, is it really fair to compare his body (pause ) to Mike's when he's essentially the same weight as when he was drafted?

At least LeBron running a 4.4 is believable because he was an actual elite D1 football recruit who some respected NCAA/NFL scouts and coaches think would be an elite NFL TE or WR, and if he had a 4.6 in Miami it is realistic that he ran a 4.4 in his senior year of high school at 240 pounds.

Jordan didn't run a 4.3 breh, he didn't. Dean Smith said he went from a 4.6 to a 4.3 in a year in order to prop up Jordan's work ethic if you think that's realistic I don't know what to tell you. I believe modern combine procedures and stop watches a lot more. A 4.3 is damn near John Ross status who set the 40 yard dash record in the NFL this year. Every track star and NFL prospect wishes they could go from 4.6 to a 4.3. It's B.S. breh straight up. Only a fat dude who lost weight could improve their 40 time that much in a year.

Also, LaVine and Wiggins have elite first steps they would be able to showcase more of their speed in the open court, faster paced game of the 80's and we'd see them dust players in a pre-zone era with strictly one-on-one defense. Jordan's first step looks crazy in his 63 point game against Boston but he's being guarded by guys like Danny Ainge, Bill Walton, Kevin McHale, Scott Wedman, and Larry Bird. Like I said LaVine's lane agility and 3/4th court sprint drills were on par with Derrick Rose, his shuttle run was faster than Dante Exum, in a foot race he'd be neck and neck with Michael Jordan if not faster for all we know.

Also, I'm using Jordan's 195 lb. weight because that's what he weighed when he was Wiggins/LaVine's age

Also, didn't MJ start bulking up around the Bad Boys era, he wasn't listed at 216 lb. until the second 3-Peat, I always took it as he bulked up even more in order to hit for more power in baseball, he came back bigger and slower.

I really doubt Wiggins and LaVine are not bigger by the time they hit 25 years old though

In terms of athletic ability there is no way you can say Jordan is "by far" more athletic than Wiggins and LaVine beloved, in pure athletic ability those guys are as athletic as the cream of the crop. Put them in the field in sprints and vertical testing and they're right there with anyone in NBA history.

 

[blackzeus]

WELL MAGIC & KAREEM
ARE TOP 5 ALL TIME RIGHT?

GS DOESNT HAVE ANY TOP 5 ATGs



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Nikkaz forget this f*ckin' team were en route to getting blown out by the Spurs who weren't sh*t compared to the 80s Lakers. You got Magic, Worthy, Kareem all the on the same squad. Would have been a whole lot of this going on:

That nikka can touch the top of the backboard

Pat Riley and Magic lookin' at Bron and the Cavs like, you lettin' these weak azz nikkaz blow you out?

 

[ISO]

That's besides the point. Kareem isn't going to be matching up with centers every night.

2k does this too . They gave 2003-04 Richard Hamilton an 80 for three point shooting when he shot 26.5% from deep that year, gave 1997-98 Jordan an 80 when he shot 23.4% from deep that year, and 1986-87 Kareem is a 94 overall too.

2K has the '07 Cavaliers, one of the worst teams to make a Finals ranked at like an 88 overall

 

[ISO]

This is @Jplaya2023 in a nutshell, he really asked "Who gonna keep Kareem off the boards" because he's taking Milwaukee Kareem and placing him onto the Lakers, not realizing that adjusted for pace Kareem was actually a terrible rebounder from 1980-89, he averaged 7.2rpg playing at a faster league wide pace.

I always wondered how his rebounding got so bad...

Was Magic statpadding triple doubles, stealing boards on some ?



Or was he severely limited jumping and in terms of mobility?

 

[BigTyme Records]

Like it's been said many a time - this is the problem when it comes to sports, far too many folk replace logic, reason and common sense with distilled, unsullied, and idealized versions of players and teams from the past, that a proper discussion will never take place. You can't convince someone that the sky is blue if they're wearing rose-colored glasses.

Good shyt

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

All these debates are pointless.

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

KD is much better foh

Smooth...Sad we never got a chance to see what James looked like in a Pistons uniform

 

[hayesc0]

Cari be keeping them legs shining

 

[FabTrey]

At least LeBron running a 4.4 is believable because he was an actual elite D1 football recruit who some respected NCAA/NFL scouts and coaches think would be an elite NFL TE or WR, and if he had a 4.6 in Miami it is realistic that he ran a 4.4 in his senior year of high school at 240 pounds.

Jordan didn't run a 4.3 breh, he didn't. Dean Smith said he went from a 4.6 to a 4.3 in a year in order to prop up Jordan's work ethic if you think that's realistic I don't know what to tell you. I believe modern combine procedures and stop watches a lot more. A 4.3 is damn near John Ross status who set the 40 yard dash record in the NFL this year. Every track star and NFL prospect wishes they could go from 4.6 to a 4.3. It's B.S. breh straight up. Only a fat dude who lost weight could improve their 40 time that much in a year.

Also, LaVine and Wiggins have elite first steps they would be able to showcase more of their speed in the open court, faster paced game of the 80's and we'd see them dust players in a pre-zone era with strictly one-on-one defense. Jordan's first step looks crazy in his 63 point game against Boston but he's being guarded by guys like Danny Ainge, Bill Walton, Kevin McHale, Scott Wedman, and Larry Bird. Like I said LaVine's lane agility and 3/4th court sprint drills were on par with Derrick Rose, his shuttle run was faster than Dante Exum, in a foot race he'd be neck and neck with Michael Jordan if not faster for all we know.

Also, I'm using Jordan's 195 lb. weight because that's what he weighed when he was Wiggins/LaVine's age

Also, didn't MJ start bulking up around the Bad Boys era, he wasn't listed at 216 lb. until the second 3-Peat, I always took it as he bulked up even more in order to hit for more power in baseball, he came back bigger and slower.

I really doubt Wiggins and LaVine are not bigger by the time they hit 25 years old though

In terms of athletic ability there is no way you can say Jordan is "by far" more athletic than Wiggins and LaVine beloved, in pure athletic ability those guys are as athletic as the cream of the crop. Put them in the field in sprints and vertical testing and they're right there with anyone in NBA history.

anyway i don't know what ya'll nikkas arguing about, but hops aren't even taht important brehs.

westbrook is a ferocious dunker, but he really don't have 40+ inch hops