Low key Jay-Z kind of messed up Hip Hop...

[Brolic Scholar]

How is it Jay-Z's fault that people rode his dikk? He just rapped his truth. And it took people until he dropped "Hard Knock Life" (the single) to truly jock him. A lot of wack shyt came out after Pac and Biggie died. Jay-Z saw an opportunity to be the best and took it.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Prior to Jay Z rappers sound broke AF. Jay sound like a rich dude for real. I’m 34. I used to read all the magazines around his 1st album. There was a aura about him and his past. He was kind of mythical with his street past. Because unlike Biggie, Pac, & Nas debuts it didn’t seem like Jay “needed” rap.

That perception is likely due to generation differences.

Nobody in 1986 is thinking of Run-DMC as broke. They were considered as big and as wealthy as any super
successful rock or pop group.

 

[Taadow]

Jay is probably the first and most successful, explicitly crack-trade image rapper.

Biggie

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

Yes it was. At least with the hustlers it was. Not only that but it was one of those Slow Burn albums that really took a while to take off.

Vol. 1 was waaaaay bigger in Philly than Reasonable Doubt

You're either tripping or too young to really remember

Very few people were on Jay back in 96-97

And to the thread topic ... Blame the fans for the course of hip hop.
They are the ones that follow certain styles and make rappers into whatever they become

 

[prophecypro]

Someone was gonna take that lane anyway

Even before Jay, same shyt was like that with Gangsta Rap in LA.

That need for authenticity of streets even if not true, people were gonna latch onto

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Biggie

I don't think so.

Big was an up-and-coming, real good NYC emcee still attached to the traditions of the form and
original culture.

New Yorkers saw him on local tv emceeing at parties on Video Music Box.

Party and Bullshyt featured gunplay talk, but it is still is tied to the party-orientation of Hip Hop culture.

He and Puffy/Bad Boy still retained r&b sensibilities consistent to their Uptown Records connection.

On his first single he rhyming an ode on top of Mtume's hit talking about Mr. Magic, showing
love for the roots of the culture.

 

[Taadow]

On his first single he rhyming an ode on top of Mtume's hit talking about Mr. Magic, showing
love for the roots of the culture.

...and the very first thing he said on this first single is how this was for the people who didn't think he'd be anything,
including the people who would call the police while he was downstairs hustling trying to feed his daughter.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

...and the very first thing he said on this first single is how this was for the people who didn't think he'd be anything,
including the people who would call the police while he was downstairs hustling trying to feed his daughter.

You're making my point.

He's expressing remorse over a drug-dealing life in order to survive -- not glorifying the life for prosperity.

 

[Taadow]

You're making my point.

He's expressing remorse over a drug-dealing life in order to survive -- not glorifying the life for prosperity.

Does "remorse" mean something different now? lol

He didn't seem to broken up about when he made "Ten Crack Commandments"...

 

[Jatigi]

I don't give a single fukk about reputation points on this board. But this is one of the few times I wish I could fukking neg somebody.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Does "remorse" mean something different now? lol

He didn't seem to broken up about when he made "Ten Crack Commandments"...

Isn't Ten Crack Commandments on Life after Death?

But wasn't he already established as a 4X platinum from Ready To Die, commercial rapper with r&b sample heavy Juicy, Big Poppa, and One More Chance all over MTV, BET and urban radio, before that releases as an album track years later?

The crack trade just was not central to Big's persona.

 

[Womb Raider]

As much as i like Wayne



....He ruined Hip Hop

Everyone in some shape or form looks like Wayne and does drugs

This

Wayne is one of my GOATs but everybody wanna be tatted up, drugged out and say whatever reckless shyt on the beat....it produced some good records but damn its a bad standard

 

[Razor Reader]

Vol. 1 was waaaaay bigger in Philly than Reasonable Doubt

You're either tripping or too young to really remember

Very few people were on Jay back in 96-97

And to the thread topic ... Blame the fans for the course of hip hop.
They are the ones that follow certain styles and make rappers into whatever they become

Of course it was but your not reading me correctly. RD was BIG IN PHILLY!

Not as big as the later albums but big for a debut in a place like Philly.
Oh yeah and I'm probably older than you.

 

[Take It In Blood]

I'm high as fuk and didn't even read the post but I agree with the thread title