Loving who you love vs. emphasizing black love

[Isaiah Bradley]

Love vs Logic...depending on the person, could be an easy or a hard choice

I would give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your love is genuine, however, simply from an objective viewpoint and as already been said, being pro-black, among other things, absolutely includes having black offsprings because it directly coincide with the ultimate goal of building a strong socio-economic community that revolves around a single unapologetic message...black first and last, before anyone else. Just like most other communities in regard to their own, we see how successful many of these communities are with such a stance

Like most things, being pro black takes commitment, dedication, and sacrifice. Thus why most of us will shun it or attempt to water down the commitment for different selfish reasons, like most demanding things. Other communities don't have such problems convincing the majority of their members to agree to have offsprings with each other, even though they have access to other community members

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

It's very clear. You either understand the agenda and tactics used against your people, or you buy into what you have been fed.

You have an issue with sticking to your own nation exclusively. That's fine. Be happy. Just don't pretend to be aware. And don't be surprised when others start to wake up and realize the agenda that you willfully ignore.

I believe this is a very big problem due to slavery, integration, distrust, and the lack of structure and commitment to a single message and goal by different black folks from varying tax brackets

 

[Queen]

I believe this is a very big problem due to slavery, integration, distrust, and the lack of structure and commitment to a single message and goal by different black folks from varying tax brackets

And also the ACTIVE agenda. Somebody made a video about how black people are being genetically stalked. It got deleted but she put it back up on a few sites.

 

[ridedolo]

....Man I remember a few years ago......I seen this sister with a few mixed breeds on her tail.....kids looked liked somebody grew them in a lab......... Genes wiped the fck out.....shyt makes no sense for any black folks to continue doing this shyt.....

Reminds me also of Garcelle Beauvais pic she took on People Magazine some years ago....shyt is still blowing my mind she dirtied her womb up like this:

i've seen this happen before my eyes. my boys dad is black, his mom is hispanic. my boy had a kid with a white chick and his kid is blonde/blue.

 

[Hungry Rabbit]

Just date who you want. Do what you want. Think how you want.

Keep in mind that doing these things are not without consequences, which may include judgement from both fellow blacks as well as whites. Just a reality.

Ultimately it comes down to if you're strong enough to deal with the consequences of your actions.

 

[LadySimone]

Not gonna lie, some of the responses in here hurt. I was never asking for what I should do, just interested in people's reactions because I'd rather have the convo here than in real life.

But yeah... I have to CHOOSE. Damn. People calling me a c00n and shyt in reps. Like I've never dated black women or turned down black women of similar value just due to blackness. I underestimated this section of the site.

Some of y'all are really willing to forsake love/happiness for the cause. A part of me respects that but a part of me doesn't understand it. Just hope you're as about it in other facets of life.

For some black people it seems like intra racial dating is some type of necessary evil. A burden damn near.

Please go off with Maria and be happy.

 

[LadySimone]

@Queen

The Palestinian scenario was spot on. No disrespect to my brothers in here who stand for truth but the fact of the matter is if the Palestinians were like so many black men isreal would have the gaza the West Bank and probably half of Jordan right now.

The Palestinians ain't never won a fight but they don't make it easy for the Israelis. They groom every generation for war.

 

[frankster]

I consider myself a racially conscious person. I became aware of the mechanisms of white supremacy fairly early in my life (early teens) thanks to Malcolm X's autobiography. For better or for worse, racial consciousness is the primary lens through which I view the world.

Then you must realize that Race is a social construct.
That Changes depending on Time and Place
Race is based on History, Culture and phenotype so as exploit Humanity for the benefit of the few.

I've embraced and am proud of my blackness, but I also have a strong sense of self and individuality. If I'm honest with myself, race is something I'm really passionate about because I think white supremacy has prevented many blacks (including myself) from being free and at peace to reach their true potential as individuals. By extension, romance is the one area that I still choose to idealize and see as highly personal, private, and individual. I know racial dynamics are pervasive, but if there's any space in which they should not dominate, for me, it's that space.

What is important is the values you impart to your children...Chief among them should be that Character is not predicated upon skin color.
What we as Conscious Africans is fighting to destroy is Racism/white supremacy which is an Idea not a skin color....Many people confuse the ideology that is White Supremacy with people having (socalled) white skin.

I've dated a variety of women: black, Asian, and white, and now my current girlfriend is a Latina. I love her, and she fits the bill for everything I want in a wife/life partner. I have a great relationship with her family and they've welcomed me since day 1. She and I have the same philosophy on education, family economics, finances, and building wealth. More importantly, her values are solid and her loyalty to me is unimpeachable in my mind. This is the woman I want to raise my kids. There's no doubt in that we'd build something great together.

Nature Knows No Color Line and Love shouldn't either.
Marriage and Love became intertwine in Romance....a fleeting emotion.
Marriage is a Contract and as such should be seen as a business or investment.....what returns you get depends on what you put in.
Do you marry for your Love - Romance or for your Children's future - Investment?
Mixing Business and Pleasure is difficult but not impossible.

The only issue is that, from time to time, there's this tinge of discomfort with the feeling that I'm betraying my community by dating "out". I'm disgusted when black football players, basketball players, financiers, or whomever suddenly wind up with non-black women when they're successful. Every time I see a new instance of this, the question flashes to mind: am I doing the same thing?

Yes you are doing the same thing.....that does not mean its not love.
You must ask yourself why do you feel you are betraying your community?
Where in lies your disgust with successful blacks marrying out side the race reside....It follows that you then must also be disgusted with yourself.
Maybe your are equating success with marrying outside the race?
Maybe there is some latent self hate.....which is normal.

Make amends give back to the community in others ways

I also have the nagging fear that my kids could succumb to white supremacy/the black inferiority complex, and run away from their blackness through dating, friends, or whatever growing up. The idea of being old and grey, seeing my kids "preferring" not to date black or associate with the black community, or worse yet seeing them disconnect from their black family, is terrifying. I've seen it happen so often with the kids of mixed families or black families who do well. It's extremely depressing.

If you do not make an effort to expose them to positive successful Black people and organizations through their and your involvement with them....then yes we all run that risk in a Racist Environment that is America of having our kids shay away from blackness.
Setting an example is the best form of teaching.

What do other brehs think (I'm not asking what to do. It'd be stupid to walk away from this. Just asking for thoughts)? Any of you guys in or have been in similar situations? What'd you do?

You are caught up in the socialize racial hysteria that is America......force to choose sides.
When really all you need to do is find out where you really stand.

Here is the basic.

Right and Wrong is not a matter of Color but conscience.
Conscience is an innate sense of Fairness.....Being in the other person shoes.

Good and Evil (often confuse with Right and Wrong) are Social Constructs that Adhere to Cultural norms......That Often Replace Right and Wrong
Know the difference end your confusion.

 

[TMNT4000]

Love vs Logic...depending on the person, could be an easy or a hard choice

I would give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your love is genuine, however, simply from an objective viewpoint and as already been said, being pro-black, among other things, absolutely includes having black offsprings because it directly coincide with the ultimate goal of building a strong socio-economic community that revolves around a single unapologetic message...black first and last, before anyone else. Just like most other communities in regard to their own, we see how successful many of these communities are with such a stance

Like most things, being pro black takes commitment, dedication, and sacrifice. Thus why most of us will shun it or attempt to water down the commitment for different selfish reasons, like most demanding things. Other communities don't have such problems convincing the majority of their members to agree to have offsprings with each other, even though they have access to other community members

It's funny how those who think you can still be pro-black in a interracial ignores the bold part like it's not that important.

They think just acknowledging racism exist, protesting discrimination, wearing natural hair and dressing Afrocentric is enough to make you pro-black, well it doesn't.

Building a black pride family is the most pro-black thing you can do for the black community, it helps build unity, help support black business, helps getting support for laws to get passed for black people, and help build black wealth.

 

[philmonroe]

I think that we as Blacks need to find the love in each other more but I just think in 2015, there is no real taboo on interracial dating and let's be honest the media and White Supremacy have taken it's toll and we don't see each other as attractive anymore beyond the outliers here and there. So while it would be very idealistic to find 'black love' I just don't see it happening anymore. As to the OP, you seem to genuinely love and care for this woman, though it is a little hypocritical to think less of others who have chosen to have non-black significant others.

That coli online life y'all. I don't understand why dudes get on here with the weirdo talk as if blacks marrying and procreating out at some astronomical number. I think some of you dudes spend too much time online and ain't having real life interactions with folks saying stuff like this.

The last sentence is all I can agree on

 

[philmonroe]

It's funny how those who think you can still be pro-black in a interracial ignores the bold part like it's not that important.

They think just acknowledging racism exist, protesting discrimination, wearing natural hair and dressing Afrocentric is enough to make you pro-black, well it doesn't.

Building a black pride family is the most pro-black thing you can do for the black community, it helps build unity, help support black business, helps getting support for laws to get passed for black people, and help build black wealth.

This shyt in bold sounds stupid as fukk you high? It don't help build no unity because we all ain't going to agree anyway. It don't help support black business or else some of you dudes wouldn't whine that some don't support black businesses. It don't help with support with laws getting passed unless that person is about that type of action and frankly most people aren't regardless of race. They just like complaining about the stuff they feel is wrong without doing shyt to help. Building black wealth is some coli crock of shyt some of you nikkas say to sound good. What some other black gets as far as money don't help me anymore than Bill Gates white wealth if they aren't using it benefit me or others. I'm not saying they have to and should just being real this is a stupid statement people on here run with all the time and it makes it more stupid IMO because most of,the people kicking this will never have that type of black wealth so they just counting other nikkas pockets which is some chicks shyt to me.

The most pro black thing you can do is help black people be better and having kids by itself ain't the answer at all.

 

[feelosofer]

That coli online life y'all. I don't understand why dudes get on here with the weirdo talk as if blacks marrying and procreating out at some astronomical number. I think some of you dudes spend too much time online and ain't having real life interactions with folks saying stuff like this.

The last sentence is all I can agree on

When did I say that? I said that there is disconnect between Black women and Black men and there is no longer a taboo about dating and marrying out. Also the numbers of Blacks marrying out have increased over the past couple of decades.

 

[TMNT4000]

This shyt in bold sounds stupid as fukk you high? It don't help build no unity because we all ain't going to agree anyway. It don't help support black business or else some of you dudes wouldn't whine that some don't support black businesses. It don't help with support with laws getting passed unless that person is about that type of action and frankly most people aren't regardless of race. They just like complaining about the stuff they feel is wrong without doing shyt to help. Building black wealth is some coli crock of shyt some of you nikkas say to sound good. What some other black gets as far as money don't help me anymore than Bill Gates white wealth if they aren't using it benefit me or others. I'm not saying they have to and should just being real this is a stupid statement people on here run with all the time and it makes it more stupid IMO because most of,the people kicking this will never have that type of black wealth so they just counting other nikkas pockets which is some chicks shyt to me.

The most pro black thing you can do is help black people be better and having kids by itself ain't the answer at all.

So what your suggestion because it's sounds like your saying we should do nothing at all.

And at the bold, will of course this is happening now because no black family is teaching those values, that's why I said black pride family because I know black families in general don't do this. And you saying it can't happen despite black people doing this in the past. And what different of opinions got to do with unity, hell who even say all of black people in the U.S is gonna unite with the same opinion?

And I say black wealth I'm talking about being a millionaire, I'm talking about sustaining your wealth to pass it down to your kids that they might have a better start in financial success.

 

[jadillac]

what i feel is alot of you exclude yourself from being a human, b/c you are black.

Which in theory, is no different than how racists view blacks.

 

[philmonroe]

When did I say that? I said that there is disconnect between Black women and Black men and there is no longer a taboo about dating and marrying out. Also the numbers of Blacks marrying out have increased over the past couple of decades.

When did you say what? I know what you said and disagree because it feels like on here some of y'all cats make small shyt into mountains. Even with the numbers you got from some google article most don't really see it but I'm online so I'm pretty sure everybody sees nothing but IR relationships. My point is as I said earlier is some of y'all make small shyt into big shyt too often and its silly.

So what your suggestion because it's sounds like your saying we should do nothing at all.

And at the bold, will of course this is happening now because no black family is teaching those values, that's why I said black pride family because I know black families in general don't do this. And you saying it can't happen despite black people doing this in the past. And what different of opinions got to do with unity, hell who even say all of black people in the U.S is gonna unite with the same opinion?

And I say black wealth I'm talking about being a millionaire, I'm talking about sustaining your wealth to pass it down to your kids that they might have a better start in financial success.

Sounds like you just wanted to be disingenuous. I never said or implied you should do nothing. You should always do something which is work on yourself. People used to ride horses everywhere in the past too don't mean that's the wave now. Also people do have pride its y'all cats want some utopian we all care about each other flow and that's not ever happening. shyt didn't happen in the past and won't happen now. Difference of opinion has a lot to do with unity are you serious? You think you can have unity if people have major different ways of doing stuff? If you believe that you definitely living in fantasy land. You are the one that mentioned indirectly by saying unity in the first place that's who to answer that question.

In regards to your black wealth don't you think black folks in that position are already doing that? What you think,they doing? My parents have done that and so have a few other people I know. Not everybody of course but its being done but like I said I think some of y'all live in a dream like world that don't mimic real life for most. I just disagree with y'all's views and I'm sure y'all of mines but that's what messageboards are for.