Lets talk about how DMX ran 98 with a ironfist

[Gifted one]

Finally! A real discussion, here's my rebuttal. First of all, I came into this thread because there were factual errors, especially the thread title. As you and the thread starter have said, Lauryn Hill had a great year, as did Master P and Outkast, so it wasn't possible that DMX ran the year with an iron fist when it could be argued that he didn't run the year at all. That part was conceded so we'll let that go, what caught my attention amongst the dozens of Jay threads that are started weekly on these boards (that you never see me in) was the cat who referenced the "RuffRyders/RocaFella tour", that was just too insane to let go. I also don't know where you see all this disrespect of DMX, I once had him in my top 5 and I haven't said a single disparaging word against him.

I will say the Belly movie was an embarrassment though, and yes his features were hot, but it's an intangible point. The Shiny Suit Era thing was an accomplishment, everyone gives him his props on that, it doesn't mean he ruled with an iron fist or he was outselling Jay or Lauryn.

As for the "Roc the Mic" tour, even though Jay closed every show and the obvious "Roc" in the name, you can actually call it a co-headlining tour because it wasn't the "Get Rich or Die Trying" or "The Black Album Tour". I won't even get into the "Survival of the Illest Tour", how do you compare a tour that hits up arenas to a tour that hit up the Apollo?

1998 was a great year for hip hop, it's fair to say that no one ruled with an iron fist, not DMX, not Jay, not even Lauryn. Blame the person who named the thread for OD'ing on his love for X, that title was begging for an argument.

Only reason why I went at you was because when I seen your post history, it was mainly Jay related, only took a minute or so, only reason I brought up the numbers is because you did, and by your stance Lauryn Hill in 98>>>>>Jay-Z and no I'm not blaming the OP for anything, it's people like the intellectual r guy who derailed the thread by dissing X when other posters were giving X props, why don't you diss him for starting this mess? you won't because like you he's a Jay stan, The survival of the illest tour was a big tour as well, it wasn't some run of the mill tour. Belly is considered a hood classic amongst many, make a thread about it and see what people will say. All I got was the OP was giving props to X as an appreciation thread, no different then people doing the same with Jay, Nas, and others, I've seen some ridiculous Jay threads started by stans, how come you don't go in there and call out the errors for Jay? No need to be bias, and it's clear you have a bias, hence why I said almost all your posts are you defending Jay, you barely post, but when you do it's Jay related. And for the record Jay>>>>>X by miles.

 

[Danie84]

Exit Wounds was on some random channel last night, and it made me , just thinking how X even had Hollywood after him. And, he was believable in Belly, Exit Wounds, and the one with Gabrielle Union. Drugs is the

It ruins so many good things.

 

[OG Talk]

Only reason why I went at you was because when I seen your post history, it was mainly Jay related, only took a minute or so, only reason I brought up the numbers is because you did, and by your stance Lauryn Hill in 98>>>>>Jay-Z and no I'm not blaming the OP for anything, it's people like the intellectual r guy who derailed the thread by dissing X when other posters were giving X props, why don't you diss him for starting this mess? you won't because like you he's a Jay stan, The survival of the illest tour was a big tour as well, it wasn't some run of the mill tour. Belly is considered a hood classic amongst many, make a thread about it and see what people will say. All I got was the OP was giving props to X as an appreciation thread, no different then people doing the same with Jay, Nas, and others, I've seen some ridiculous Jay threads started by stans, how come you don't go in there and call out the errors for Jay? No need to be bias, and it's clear you have a bias, hence why I said almost all your posts are you defending Jay, you barely post, but when you do it's Jay related. And for the record Jay>>>>>X by miles.

You gave ole boy that work

 

[Gifted one]

You gave ole boy that work

The GOAT Gator has arrived I was KO Jay stans left and right in this thread, left without a scratch

 

[Rapmastermind]

I was a senior in High School. I was there. X ran 98. Jay really didn't feel the benefit's of "Hard Knock Life" more until 99. Also why is everyone bringing up the "Hard Knock Life" tour when that was mostly in 99? X again had 2 #1 albums in the same year. Only Pac did that and he died the year it happen to him. He also had a movie and soundtrack a ton of features that was smashing the game. "Can I Get Ah" did blow up Jay as the fall was rolling around but he still wasn't Bigger than X overall in the streets.

Yes other artist had a great 98 too. There was only one artist I could say was Bigger than X and that was Lauryn but she crossed over with "Miseducation". Master P ran the south at that point also. I was one of Jay's Day 1 fans so I know his rise perfectly well. "Hard Knock Life" is where Jay Z got most of his fans this is why people are trying to spin how Big he was in 98. The bottom line is this. X came in the game and smashed shyt the WHOLE Year period. Jay did not smash the ENTIRE 98. Therefor how was he bigger than X when X had features at the beginning of the year, dropped an album that basically shut down the summer. Dropped a movie and another album in winter. That's running a YEAR. Jay was hot in the 4th Quarter, hardly dominating a year. Also look at this cover of "Backstage". Yes "HKL" was Jay's breakout album but it didn't feel most of the success of that till 99.

DMX face is just as Big as Jay Z on this poster and he was the rookie.

 

[grock2727]

Only reason why I went at you was because when I seen your post history, it was mainly Jay related, only took a minute or so, only reason I brought up the numbers is because you did, and by your stance Lauryn Hill in 98>>>>>Jay-Z and no I'm not blaming the OP for anything, it's people like the intellectual r guy who derailed the thread by dissing X when other posters were giving X props, why don't you diss him for starting this mess? you won't because like you he's a Jay stan, The survival of the illest tour was a big tour as well, it wasn't some run of the mill tour. Belly is considered a hood classic amongst many, make a thread about it and see what people will say. All I got was the OP was giving props to X as an appreciation thread, no different then people doing the same with Jay, Nas, and others, I've seen some ridiculous Jay threads started by stans, how come you don't go in there and call out the errors for Jay? No need to be bias, and it's clear you have a bias, hence why I said almost all your posts are you defending Jay, you barely post, but when you do it's Jay related. And for the record Jay>>>>>X by miles.

Here we go again, why do you insist on arguing the person instead of the points? Why would you even look at my history? How is it relevant to the points I brought up? If you think I'm wrong it should be on the merits of the argument I put forth, not my posting history. Like I said before:

the reason I mainly discuss Jay on a hip hop forum is the same reason I only discuss the Yankees in a baseball forum or the Giants in a football forum.

I know it's popular around here but I'm not a moron who likes to throw my 2 cents into every topic, nor do I partake in the gossip, I leave that for nyggas who like to put up over 3000 posts in less then a year. What I do is I look out for new music, participate in a few threads and enjoy the random ignorance on these boards that nyggas like you provide. If there's one thing I can count on in the Coli is cats who go completely off topic to take shots at somebody because they can't actually provide any input or put up a decent argument.

Regarding the topic: Of course "Lauryn Hill in 98>>>>>Jay-Z", how is that even debatable? Which also proves my point that DMX did not rule with an iron fist, he didn't even rule. The Survival of the Illest was not a big tour, it was all small venues, you can't honestly compare the two. Belly being a hood classic is not indicative of success, it was a flop, making a thread asking peoples opinions about it won't change that. This thread is about running 98, you can't point to a flopped movie and call it a highlight of his year.

Finally, I've seen a lot of ridiculous Jay threads as well, and you don't see me in those either. Of course I'm biased, I'm biased about a lot of things. I think The Yankees are the GOAT team, I think Polo is the GOAT label, I think Breaking Bad is the GOAT TV show, who gives a fuk? Can you prove me wrong? That's the question. Discussions are what these forums should be about, but instead you want to analyze me. It makes no sense.

 

[grock2727]

I was a senior in High School. I was there. X ran 98. Jay really didn't feel the benefit's of "Hard Knock Life" more until 99. Also why is everyone bringing up the "Hard Knock Life" tour when that was mostly in 99? X again had 2 #1 albums in the same year. Only Pac did that and he died the year it happen to him. He also had a movie and soundtrack a ton of features that was smashing the game. "Can I Get Ah" did blow up Jay as the fall was rolling around but he still wasn't Bigger than X overall in the streets.

Yes other artist had a great 98 too. There was only one artist I could say was Bigger than X and that was Lauryn but she crossed over with "Miseducation". Master P ran the south at that point also. I was one of Jay's Day 1 fans so I know his rise perfectly well. "Hard Knock Life" is where Jay Z got most of his fans this is why people are trying to spin how Big he was in 98. The bottom line is this. X came in the game and smashed shyt the WHOLE Year period. Jay did not smash the ENTIRE 98. Therefor how was he bigger than X when X had features at the beginning of the year, dropped an album that basically shut down the summer. Dropped a movie and another album in winter. That's running a YEAR. Jay was hot in the 4th Quarter, hardly dominating a year. Also look at this cover of "Backstage". Yes "HKL" was Jay's breakout album but it didn't feel most of the success of that till 99.

DMX face is just as Big as Jay Z on this poster and he was the rookie.

Thats a great argument you posted, thanks for using some sense in this thread. However, I will contend that Jay was more successful and did more over the last half of 98 then DMX did the whole year. I base that on the numbers he did, which at the time was more then both of X's albums combined.

I also want to point out that it takes months to plan a tour, and the tour started in early March of 99. If DMX truly had 98 on lock, how is it even possible that the tour wasn't co-headlined and named after the two of them? Similar to how Jays tour with 50 Cent went and how his tour with Timberlake is going to go. The only way to determine something that serious is taking the last year into account, which was 1998.

 

[Rapmastermind]

Thats a great argument you posted, thanks for using some sense in this thread. However, I will contend that Jay was more successful and did more over the last half of 98 then DMX did the whole year. I base that on the numbers he did, which at the time was more then both of X's albums combined.

I also want to point out that it takes months to plan a tour, and the tour started in early March of 99. If DMX truly had 98 on lock, how is it even possible that the tour wasn't co-headlined and named after the two of them? Similar to how Jays tour with 50 Cent went and how his tour with Timberlake is going to go. The only way to determine something that serious is taking the last year into account, which was 1998.

It was called "The Hard Knock Life Tour" cause Jay Z just singed a huge deal with Def Jam the previous year in 97. Reasonable Doubt wasn't on Def Jam. Like I said DMX had a FULL year when you consider features, 2 LP's, A Movie and a Soundtrack. Using the "Jay headline hard knock life tour" has nothing to do with what DMX did in 98. The fact is this the "Hard Knock Life" tour was really a "DEF JAM Tour". Jay got top Billing cause of again the huge deal Def Jam just signed with him. DMX started 98 living off a ton of a great late 97 features from Ma$e to LL Cool J. Then he came into 98 with more features and then by summer he had his debut out and never let up the rest of the year.

 

[mobbinfms]

This thread got these insecure camel stans I didn't even mention JayZ or diss him and they feel the need to derail with their bullshyt.

Only reason why I haven't really gave these nikkas that work is because I'm on vacation but I'll leave it like this

Ask anybody what they remember the most from 1998. They'll tell you about DMX killing the Jiggy era and having 2 home runs making history. They'll tell you more about Master P and his movement locking down the south, Lauryn Hill changing the game with her album, Big Pun being the first Latin cat to do serious numbers and Outkasts AQuemini. Not that mediocre ass Hard Knock Life 2 album that happened to catch buzz and do numbers because of East Coast publication dikkriding and the fact that he had a few catchy tunes on there to push him.

Two Instant number ones albums(One in the Spring and one to close out the year doing MONSTER numbers)
Killing a movement and starting a new one for hip hop
Bodied Guest appearances left and right
Headlined the Survival of the Illest tour
Starred in Belly which was a box office movie


But yet according to these nikkas, Jay ran that year more than X You got one geek literally making a spin off of this thread trying to mock me, That tells you right there what kind of cornballs you truly dealing with here

Are you really arguing that Flesh was a home run? I too thought Vol 2 was a disappointment - I actually think IDAHIH is better than Vol 2. But Flesh was much more of a brick then Vol 2.

Also - stop running away from the fact that you intentionally made a thread title asserting that X was dominant. That's bullshyt and you know it. Don't try to make it like you've always been arguing they were neck and neck.

 

[Mike Statik]

Are you really arguing that Flesh was a home run? I too thought Vol 2 was a disappointment - I actually think IDAHIH is better than Vol 2. But Flesh was much more of a brick then Vol 2.

Also - stop running away from the fact that you intentionally made a thread title asserting that X was dominant. That's bullshyt and you know it. Don't try to make it like you've always been arguing they were neck and neck.

Vol 2 is one of Jays better albums IMO and im not really a fan of his no more


but if anyone really think X didnt have the late 90s on lock then you werent there or just denying it


X was everywhere as soon as his first feature on Money Power Respect and that track on Mases Harlem World....he was EVERYWHERE afta that....IDAHIH - ANd Then There Was x.....theres no denying his reign...and im not even a huge fan like that

 

[mobbinfms]

How is what i'm arguing bullshyt? I came in the thread saying both Jay and X were major in 98, I think X had a little bigger year, only speaking on where I grew up, like you and most people here, even compared X and Jay to Bron and Durant, as both being the top of that year. The thread is about X, and the first few posts were posters giving props to X, and paying homage by posting their fav X songs, only reason why I'm in a debate was with a poster who only posts in threads involving Jay and you butted your way into the argument. You have a poster who can't even spell his SN right shytting on X and making it seem like he was a flunkie then, X is a d-list rapper now, not my fault you and a few other Jay stans had to derail the thread throwing insults, just like you're doing with this post, no need to insult me, when you jumped into a debate that had nothing to do with you. If you want to debate who was bigger cool, but when people shyt on one to big the other up is corny, and it's mainly people like you(Jay stans) and Nas stans that do this, there needs to be a subforum for every thread that gets derailed into Nas and Jay.

First of all - don't try to talk slick about me in a post and then catch feelings when I respond in like fashion.

Second of all - I'm not a Jay Stan. But I'm not gonna say 1998 wasn't a huge year for him.

Third - I can respect an argument that they were neck and neck and maybe D was a bit bigger. I apologize if I erroneously lumped you in with the TS.

 

[Pop123]

the very first time i heard "ruff ryders anthem" i swear i thought that was the dopest sh!t i ever heard in my entire life

 

[Big Boss]

Exit Wounds was on some random channel last night, and it made me , just thinking how X even had Hollywood after him. And, he was believable in Belly, Exit Wounds, and the one with Gabrielle Union. Drugs is the

It ruins so many good things.

never die alone was pretty good too

 

[mobbinfms]

Which is one of the reasons why I don't post in here like that anymore discussing music. You got stans and fukkboys always trying to turn every post into some _____vs ______ stan war bullshyt. I'm not even a DMX stan but nikkas can't deny his impact. I didn't think cats took the word ironfist so literal lol


The numbers don't lie, The records don't lie and the movement is solidifed no matter how hard nikkas wanna spin it now lets get back to the thread

Yeah - I see what you're getting at. You just really used the wrong word.

 

[mobbinfms]

Vol 2 is one of Jays better albums IMO and im not really a fan of his no more


but if anyone really think X didnt have the late 90s on lock then you werent there or just denying it


X was everywhere as soon as his first feature on Money Power Respect and that track on Mases Harlem World....he was EVERYWHERE afta that....IDAHIH - ANd Then There Was x.....theres no denying his reign...and im not even a huge fan like that

Yes - X was huge - but when you use a term like "on lock" you go too far since Jay was as big if not bigger.