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That never happened. Jay closed out every show.
Lets talk about how DMX ran 98 with a ironfist
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That never happened. Jay closed out every show.
You sure he closes out the Tampa one and the one in Jacksonville? I remember my older cousins went to that one and said X closed it out.
So why continue to have most of the posts in this thread if it didn't interest you?Obviously your insecurity caused you to put the hov cape on, you can't even spell your SN right and you have the nerve to call people "dumb niccaz"
and @mobbinfms, the title of the thread is bigging up X in some type of way, ruling 98 with an ironfist is giving him props, but yet to you and a few others this thread is some type of conspiracy to shyt on Jay
Yeah - sorry - as it turns out - words actually have meaning. I couldn't make a thread titled "DMX is better than Jay-Z" then claim the "title of thread is bigging up X in some type of way" and "not a conspiracy to shyt on Jay" because that would be bullshyt. You should understand that because what you are arguing is also bullshyt. If you can't follow along with the idea that saying a rapper ruled a given year with an "iron fist" is directly comparing that rapper to every other rapper - then maybe you aren't as "gifted" as you think you are.
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Notorioushnic
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This thread got these insecure camel stans
I didn't even mention JayZ or diss him and they feel the need to derail with their bullshyt.
Only reason why I haven't really gave these nikkas that work is because I'm on vacation but I'll leave it like this
Ask anybody what they remember the most from 1998. They'll tell you about DMX killing the Jiggy era and having 2 home runs making history. They'll tell you more about Master P and his movement locking down the south, Lauryn Hill changing the game with her album, Big Pun being the first Latin cat to do serious numbers and Outkasts AQuemini. Not that mediocre ass Hard Knock Life 2 album that happened to catch buzz and do numbers because of East Coast publication dikkriding and the fact that he had a few catchy tunes on there to push him.
Two Instant number ones albums(One in the Spring and one to close out the year doing MONSTER numbers)
Killing a movement and starting a new one for hip hop
Bodied Guest appearances left and right
Headlined the Survival of the Illest tour
Starred in Belly which was a box office movie
But yet according to these nikkas, Jay ran that year more than X You got one geek literally making a spin off of this thread trying to mock me, That tells you right there what kind of cornballs you truly dealing with here
I didn't even mention JayZ or diss him and they feel the need to derail with their bullshyt.Only reason why I haven't really gave these nikkas that work is because I'm on vacation but I'll leave it like this
Ask anybody what they remember the most from 1998. They'll tell you about DMX killing the Jiggy era and having 2 home runs making history. They'll tell you more about Master P and his movement locking down the south, Lauryn Hill changing the game with her album, Big Pun being the first Latin cat to do serious numbers and Outkasts AQuemini. Not that mediocre ass Hard Knock Life 2 album that happened to catch buzz and do numbers because of East Coast publication dikkriding and the fact that he had a few catchy tunes on there to push him.
Two Instant number ones albums(One in the Spring and one to close out the year doing MONSTER numbers)
Killing a movement and starting a new one for hip hop
Bodied Guest appearances left and right
Headlined the Survival of the Illest tour
Starred in Belly which was a box office movie
But yet according to these nikkas, Jay ran that year more than X You got one geek literally making a spin off of this thread trying to mock me, That tells you right there what kind of cornballs you truly dealing with here
vaudevillevillain
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let's talk about how he smoked it all away
But you still areYou acting like I had to break computer codes to view your post history, as if I had to stay up day and night and shyt
So if Jay was closing out the show, it's kinda odd that X closed out some of the cities, I mean Jay was the main draw right? And everyone else was 2nd tier according to your theory,
You're incorrigible, I appreciate your interest in me but I won't stoop to your level. Moving on, DMX never closed a show on the HKL tour, what part of that do you not understand? Where are you getting your info from? And even if we put that nonsense rumor to rest, what about my other point regarding the volume of sales and chart domination? Any thoughts on that? Or did you hear DMX sold 8X plat in 98 and held the #1 position for 10 weeks along with the tour rumor?
How is what i'm arguing bullshyt? I came in the thread saying both Jay and X were major in 98, I think X had a little bigger year, only speaking on where I grew up, like you and most people here, even compared X and Jay to Bron and Durant, as both being the top of that year. The thread is about X, and the first few posts were posters giving props to X, and paying homage by posting their fav X songs, only reason why I'm in a debate was with a poster who only posts in threads involving Jay and you butted your way into the argument. You have a poster who can't even spell his SN right shytting on X and making it seem like he was a flunkie then, X is a d-list rapper now, not my fault you and a few other Jay stans had to derail the thread throwing insults, just like you're doing with this post, no need to insult me, when you jumped into a debate that had nothing to do with you. If you want to debate who was bigger cool, but when people shyt on one to big the other up is corny, and it's mainly people like you(Jay stans) and Nas stans that do this, there needs to be a subforum for every thread that gets derailed into Nas and Jay.
I thought you were done replying back to me
I said before, just word from my older cousins, that was 13-14 years ago, so could they be wrong, yes it's possible, and like I told the other poster, you can only speak on where you grew up, and where I grew up, X and Jay were getting major play, X was kinda like 50 in 03, he ended the shiny suit era, like how 50 ended the Ja Rule singing era, but X was getting more play, so like I said, only speaking on my era, maybe your era was different. X was the 2nd rapper to have 2 #1 albums in a year, I believe flesh of my flesh went plat in early January. Keep it going, you're about to crack 100, and guess what your posts will all be about 
Notorioushnic
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Which is one of the reasons why I don't post in here like that anymore discussing music. You got stans and fukkboys always trying to turn every post into some _____vs ______ stan war bullshyt. I'm not even a DMX stan but nikkas can't deny his impact. I didn't think cats took the word ironfist so literal lol
The numbers don't lie, The records don't lie and the movement is solidifed no matter how hard nikkas wanna spin it now lets get back to the thread
I agree 100% there is nothing wrong with a debate here and there, Jay is one of the GOATS to me, but these dudes throwing personal insults and shyt as if Jay is their older brother
And if these stans want to talk about numbers, wasn't Lauryn Hill's album one of the top selling albums of 98? 
So I guess Lauryn Hill had 98 on lock then right not to mention didn't she take most of the awards by a hip hop artist the grammy's, so according to Jigga stan logic, Lauryn Hill>>>>>>Jay-Z>X
Notorioushnic
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This IS a thread giving him props. I mentioned nothing but how successful his year was and how he had a dominant year. Not saying nothing like "DMX RULED WITH A IRONFIST, WHAT JIGGA DO"? Cotdamn you nikkas are dumb
I thought you were done replying back to me
I never said I wasn't replying to your posts anymore, I said I wasn't replying to that one post because the other cats already made my point. You keep proving over and over again that you're not really understanding what you read. If anything i keep trying to engage you in a logical amicable discussion, but you are more concerned with my post count and personality then my points, its ridiculous. I'll try again, this isn't about your "era", that makes no sense since 98 is in the same era. I put forth a logical argument of how/why Jay was over X in 98 using facts, not opinions, where I grew up or what my cousins remember.
I'll take the bolded part as a concession, and don't feel so bad about it, there was actually some good points and some learning in this thread. Like the cat above who thought Jay and DMX took turns closing out the HKL Tour, turns out he was listening to his cousins. You are correct, the numbers don't lie, and Jay sold more in 98 then DMX did, it's not taking anything away from X though he really solidified himself as an A lister during Jays tour, I considered him top 5 for a while too.
Notorioushnic
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Who remembers that DMX Vs Canibus mixtape? Someone need to upload that shyt
Well if you want to bring in numbers and what they're doing, why not bring up the Belly movie, the other features he was on, and also killing the shiny suit era, but you won't you're only bringing up the HKL tour, which is a fact that X was as big of a draw too. Just like the roc the mic tour, was 50 just a flunkie then and Jay was the only one people were seeing?
50 was bigger because he stopped a movement and defined an era in hip hop history like X did in 98, and using your logic, Lauryn Hill sold more than X and Jay, so I guess she ran it instead of them if you silly nikkas want to bring up numbers. Stop being like Fox news, only bringing in half of the argument and not the whole picture. And he did the survival of the illest tour, but let you Fox news Jay stans tell it, Jay was top dog, and X was just some other dude.Not to mention she won more grammy's than Jay in 99, Jay won best album though. So I guess according to numbers, and critical acclaim, Lauryn ran 98
Well if you want to bring in numbers and what they're doing, why not bring up the Belly movie, the other features he was on, and also killing the shiny suit era, but you won't you're only bringing up the HKL tour, which is a fact that X was as big of a draw too. Just like the roc the mic tour, was 50 just a flunkie then and Jay was the only one people were seeing?
Not to mention she won more grammy's than Jay in 99, Jay won best album though. So I guess according to numbers, and critical acclaim, Lauryn ran 98
Finally! A real discussion, here's my rebuttal. First of all, I came into this thread because there were factual errors, especially the thread title. As you and the thread starter have said, Lauryn Hill had a great year, as did Master P and Outkast, so it wasn't possible that DMX ran the year with an iron fist when it could be argued that he didn't run the year at all. That part was conceded so we'll let that go, what caught my attention amongst the dozens of Jay threads that are started weekly on these boards (that you never see me in) was the cat who referenced the "RuffRyders/RocaFella tour", that was just too insane to let go. I also don't know where you see all this disrespect of DMX, I once had him in my top 5 and I haven't said a single disparaging word against him.
I will say the Belly movie was an embarrassment though, and yes his features were hot, but it's an intangible point. The Shiny Suit Era thing was an accomplishment, everyone gives him his props on that, it doesn't mean he ruled with an iron fist or he was outselling Jay or Lauryn.
As for the "Roc the Mic" tour, even though Jay closed every show and the obvious "Roc" in the name, you can actually call it a co-headlining tour because it wasn't the "Get Rich or Die Trying" or "The Black Album Tour". I won't even get into the "Survival of the Illest Tour", how do you compare a tour that hits up arenas to a tour that hit up the Apollo?
1998 was a great year for hip hop, it's fair to say that no one ruled with an iron fist, not DMX, not Jay, not even Lauryn. Blame the person who named the thread for OD'ing on his love for X, that title was begging for an argument.