Lestans according to the stats Luka is better than Bron was his first 100 games

[10bandz]

Why do I have an entire page of the thread that's basically empty?

Let me guess, All-Caps the pedophile defender, his best buddy from the valley, and the guy who called himself Monkey Boy came and shyt all over it.

Did the pedophile himself get unbanned as well?

Hope y'all had fun reading the WOAT posters on the forum talk about shyt they know nothing about.

@ this nikkas deflection from Swag throughly hoeing him out.

Pretend you have users on ignore brehs. You hate to see it

 

[Dwight Howard]

 

[Lakerman0834]

Why are you always sneaky and manipulative in your posts? You know good and well there is no statistical argument in favor of LeBron versus Luka at the same age (even taking pace into account). If there were you would have actually posted them already. But you haven't because you know there isn't. So rather than admitting that you instead try to trick and manipulate people with this post here talking about pace when anybody who knows anything about analytics knows there are several advanced stats that do take pace into account. You didn't post those advanced stats because you know they don't favor LeBron either.

The only arguments that can be made in Bron's favor are those made using the eye test. But you don't wanna admit that because you spent a lifetime arguing against that sort of logic when trying to claim LeBron is better than Kobe. Now you don't know how to act when inferior players like Luka come along and start demolishing all those statistical accomplishments you tried to use when touting Bron.

You know PER (player efficiency rating) takes pace into account. And the gap between LeBron and Luka thru their first 2 years according to PER is even larger the gap when just looking at normal box score stats (mainly cause young LeBron played way more minutes than Luka). Here are the stats you are trying to hide:

LeBron's PER as a 19 year old rookie: 18.3
Luka's PER as a 19 year old rookie: 19.6

LeBron's PER as a 20 year old 2nd year player: 25.7
Luka's PER as a 20 year old 2nd year player: 31.5

In fact, Luka's PER so far this season is higher than all but 2 of LeBron's highest PER seasons ever (and LeBron was barely higher in those 2 peak years). So statistically speaking you could say Luka is RIGHT NOW playing as good as LeBron has EVER played in his career.

You told us to look at the numbers. And the advanced stats are saying that Luka is WAY BETTER than LeBron was at the same age and as good right now as LeBron did in his peak.

Unloaded the clip in LeGTB

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Exactly. Isnt this shyt boring by now?

a lot of these dudes are mirror Trump supporters. Its all about the reaction of the supposed other side.

basketball talks in here are utter trash

At least two of them are actual Trump supporters. '

I don't understand how people can argue about the same shyt every day. WOAT Take and Skip Bayless definitely deserve blame. Nothing but hot takes and recycled topics. You damn sure don't see this stan wars shyt with the NFL or even MLB. Media coverage of basketball is at an all time low as well. Nothing but chatty patty nonsense.

The craziest shyt is how do you spend all your time talking about a player you HATE? How do you claim to love a sport but the only player on your mind 24/7 is the one you claim you don't like? The haters are the exact ones starting/bumping these threads constantly.

 

[Lakerman0834]

At least two of them are actual Trump supporters. '




The craziest shyt is how do you spend all your time talking about a player you HATE? How do you claim to love a sport but the only player on your mind 24/7 is the one you claim you don't like? The haters are the exact ones starting/bumping these threads constantly.

Still avoiding @Swagnificent post

 

[Mad Good Dro]

Luka in his second season has a damn near 40% usage rate (37.5%) compared to bron's 29% Usage rate in the 2004-05 season.. and lebron's second season was played at a much lower pace.

And even then Luka barely beats him out statistically, if bron held the ball damn near 40% of his teams possessions he could average 2 more points, assists and rebounds a game In that era or this one.. Even today he leads the league in assists with only 31% Usage rate and is only averaging about 2 points and rebounds less than luka.

 

[Mad Good Dro]

Kobe stans really thought they had one.


So to conclude, Luka playing a harden esque style of ball hogging system (37% Usage rate) in a faster pace and space era with better teammates (Porzingis is better than anyone lebron played with first cleveland stint.) was only able to muster up 2 extra points and assists per game? Not to mention bron's 27/7/7 on 53% EFG was more efficient in a tougher defensive era than lukas 29/9 on 50% EFG. You tell me whos better.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Kobe stans really thought they had one.


So to conclude, Luka playing a harden esque style of ball hogging system (37% Usage rate) in a faster pace and space era with better teammates (Porzingis is better than anyone lebron played with first cleveland stint.) was only able to muster up 2 extra points and assists per game? Not to mention bron's 27/7/7 on 53% EFG was more efficient in a tougher defensive era than lukas 29/9 on 50% EFG. You tell me whos better.

What’s the minutes per game comparison between the two

 

[Lakerman0834]

What’s the minutes per game comparison between the two

@Mad Good Dro

 

[Trav]

Luka in his second season has a damn near 40% usage rate (37.5%) compared to bron's 29% Usage rate in the 2004-05 season.. and lebron's second season was played at a much lower pace.

And even then Luka barely beats him out statistically, if bron held the ball damn near 40% of his teams possessions he could average 2 more points, assists and rebounds a game In that era or this one.. Even today he leads the league in assists with only 31% Usage rate and is only averaging about 2 points and rebounds less than luka.

nikka be out here lowkey turning Porzingis to Chris Kaman with an accent when they on the floor together.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

nikka be out here lowkey turning Porzingis to Chris Kaman with an accent when they on the floor together.

On March 5th, Luka and KP had only played together in 14 games out of the previous 38.

KP is great. But to use him to prove that Luka only has good numbers because of him.... bad argument. You must not actually watch Mavs games. They had bad chemistry towards the end of the season due to injury issues. No consistency in lineups and Rick was constantly juggling players around.

 

[Trav]

On March 5th, Luka and KP had only played together in 14 games out of the previous 38.

KP is great. But to use him to prove that Luka only has good numbers because of him.... bad argument. You must not actually watch Mavs games. They had bad chemistry towards the end of the season due to injury issues. No consistency in lineups and Rick was constantly juggling players around.

You must have not read my post correctly. My point was piggy back'ing on the Luka's usage rate notion. Those stats were to show how someone like Porzingis who people like Durant were calling a unicorn, the media deeming him as the next 'big' thing as far as centers go in the league---to now, where he's been reduced to more of an above average role player b/c Luka has the ball in his hand at an insanely high clip. He's a good (possibly on the verge of being great) player, no doubt, but we can't ignore a bulk of his stats come from the breh being #2 in usage rate only behind Giannis.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

You must have not read my post correctly. My point was piggy back'ing on the Luka's usage rate notion. Those stats were to show how someone like Porzingis who people like Durant were calling a unicorn, the mediadeeming him as the next 'big' thing as far as centers go in the league---to now, where he's been reduced to more of an above average role player b/c Luka has the ball in his hand at an insanely high clip.

Are we getting amnesia and forgetting that Chris Bosh and Kevin Love went from perennial All Star big men who were number 1 options to...

Standing in the corner and becoming spot up 3 shooters cause of Bron Ball?

Oh, that was different, yeah?

I got what you said. The first half of the post wasn’t necessarily for you. But the second half was. Mavericks had zero consistency in their lineups the last 40 games of the season before this hiatus. You’re judging Luka off KP’s performance coming off an ACL, sitting back to backs, and inconsistent chemistry... It’s not really an honest argument. Like I said, they played 14 games together in a 38 game stretch. And KP was coming back from sitting for almost 2 years...

 

[Mad Good Dro]

What’s the minutes per game comparison between the two

42 to 33, so Bron played 9 more minutes with less help in a slower paced era. (League averaging 90.1 possessions a game compared to 100.2 today) , He had greater defensive attention with less space floor space (Dallas had 7 players shoot 34% or higher from 3 this season compared to only 3 from the 04-05 cavs) and averaged 2 less points and 2 less assists but and still had greater efficiency.

nikka be out here lowkey turning Porzingis to Chris Kaman with an accent when they on the floor together.

Well despite it being a 6 game sample size this proves my point about luka having more help,

Porzingis's numbers dipping like that is due to luka holding the ball damn near 40% of the teams possessions (37% usage rate) trying to be harden.

And when taking account for all of this, bron still averaged 27/7 on better efficiency in a lane clogged league pace at 90.1 compared to lukas 29/9 with shooters (7 teammates shooting 34% or higher from 3) and a fast pace and space era of 100.2

 

[Codeine Bryant]

42 to 33, so Bron played 9 more minutes with less help in a slower paced era. (League averaging 90.1 possessions a game compared to 100.2 today) , He had greater defensive attention with less space floor space (Dallas had 7 players shoot 34% or higher from 3 this season compared to only 3 from the 04-05 cavs) and averaged 2 less points and 2 less assists but and still had greater efficiency.

That's one way to look at it

Another is that Luka put up monstrous numbers while playing on average 9 less minutes a game...

Doing a lot with the ball in your hands while playing almost a full quarter less is a bad thing now?

I agree guys have inflated numbers now with the Usage rate. Guys like Harden and Luka and Westbrook are examples.

But Luka sits entire 4th quarters of some games. Rick also is very judicious with how much playing time he gets in general. So while his usage might be high, he clearly is not playing the ridiculous minutes a lot of guys are. Something to take into consideration.

Guy plays a little over 30 mins a game and outperforms a ton of guys, present and historically, who played 40+ mins a game. I'm glad he has the ball in his hands as often as he does. Clearly good things happen, yes?