Lebron really looks old now

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

So you expect a team to lose their star player, receive zero value back, and win a championship? Would you have expected the Bulls to win in 1993 if Scottie was released a month before the season?

Of course they're not the same. The point is that the Bulls were legitimate championship contenders with bench talent replacing the best player in the league. That indicates either A. The league is really weak or B. The team is really strong.

In this case, it's both.

The Bulls added Kerr & Kukoc in '94, also.I'd expect the Bulls to still win off wiles alone.They had a bunch of vets with championship pedigree.Outstanding coach.System familiarity.

 

[jaydawg08]

So with that Le-logic Bron is a Ray Allen 3 pointer, A Kyrie clutch 3 and a global pandemic from being 1-10 in the finals. The 1 finals he did win in 2012 came in a lockout year. Nasty

Lebron clutched up in the 4th and game 7 vs the Spurs.. Lebron put the game away going up by 4, since you don’t win a game going up 3 (see Ray Allen)

Try again kid

 

[Osmosis]

The Bulls added Kerr & Kukoc in '94, also.I'd expect the Bulls to still win off wiles alone.They had a bunch of vets with championship pedigree.Outstanding coach.System familiarity.

So a rookie Kukoc, Steve Kerr, and Pete Myers is enough to fill the GOAT-sized hole left by MJ?

Do the Nuggets win virtually the same amount of games as last season if you replaced Jokic with Jared Mccain, TJ McConnell, and Alex Len at the start of the season?

MJ played in a weak league and on a strong team. It's okay to admit it.

 

[jaydawg08]

Semis of the ECF is not a contender. Im not arguing for Bron or MJ but nearly getting to the ECF and winning a chip or 3 peat are leagues apart.

Uhh it most def is. Getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs in your conference is a contender, especially when it’s a close tight series

 

[Ukbrotha]

Uhh it most def is. Getting to the 2nd round of the playoffs in your conference is a contender, especially when it’s a close tight series

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Everythingg]

Once again, deflecting to another season and desperately throwing Lebron's name out there. Of course Lebron's team wouldn't win the same number of games without him,

Yea because he doesn't play on teams that have a real system outside of "give him the ball and get out of the way". The Bulls actually ran a real offense that had Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc on the team to take bigger roles when Mike was gone. Your argument is they are still a 50 win team when losing Jordan but lose Horace Grant and they become sub 500?

The Grizzlies played well without a young JA because they had a starting level PG off the bench to replace him.

You say this when Bulls had Pippen stepping into MJ's role and Kukoc stepping into Pippen's role with a veteran team surrounding them that had just come off winning a championship? Oh and a 3 time championship winning coach?

Here you're arguing that Tyus Jones (8 ppg 4 apg Tyus Jones btw) can replace Ja, but a 4 time Allstar and olympic champion couldn't step into MJ's shoes?

Raw FG% is a relic that doesn't account for point value of the shot a player is taking (3s vs. 2s) or free throws. True shooting is the stat that most accurately measures efficiency. MJ was below league average in efficiency in both of those seasons and less efficient than a mediocre SG like Stackhouse.

As I said, you can't explain True shooting in your own words. You also can't calculate it w/o googling how to do so. Its just an extra stat cacs put on the board. 40%FG and 29%3FG is terrible. But because he made more 3's (at a terrible percentage) you think Stackhouse was playing better than MJ despite MJ averaging more pts, rebs, assists, stls, and less turnovers? Pathetic reach

You think it's more impressive watching Lebron guard Jaylen Brown in a random regular season game than watching him bang in the post in the playoffs with the best player in the world that happens to be 3 inches taller than him and 35 pounds heavier?

I think its more impressive watching a 40 year old actually try to compete on both sides of the ball despite his limitations over hiding on the weakest player, cherry picking, yet still getting mad at teammates when they make mistakes on defense. Something, something, lead by example? Instead he plays lazy defense so he can go put up numbers so y'all can say "check the statz!!" when his stacked teams fail time and time again. Just more fukk nikka shyt from a dude who has been a fukk nikka since the end of his first Cleveland run


Another Drake ass nikka who's gonna have records but is not gonna have the respect of the people or his peers

 

[fifth column]

So you expect a team to lose their star player, receive zero value back, and win a championship? Would you have expected the Bulls to win in 1993 if Scottie was released a month before the season?

Of course they're not the same. The point is that the Bulls were legitimate championship contenders with bench talent replacing the best player in the league. That indicates either A. The league is really weak or B. The team is really strong.

In this case, it's both.

Or C MJ had a winning impact on his team by the high standards that he set. Did Apple fall off after Steve Jobs died? How about Microsoft after Bill Gates stepped away, How about Amazon after Jeff Bezos stepped away?

MJ was MJ before Pippen became an all star and before Phil became an all time great coach.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

So a rookie Kukoc, Steve Kerr, and Pete Myers is enough to fill the GOAT-sized hole left by MJ?

Do the Nuggets win virtually the same amount of games as last season if you replaced Jokic with Jared Mccain, TJ McConnell, and Alex Len at the start of the season?

MJ played in a weak league and on a strong team. It's okay to admit it.

We'll have to wait until the Nuggets win 3 in a row, become a dynasty, and build up that kind of pedigree.They're just a one off.Yet to build up that kind of consistent dominance.

And come on, man.Kukoc was much better than Alex Len.He was actually useful.At least give him someone like Harrison Barnes.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

So a rookie Kukoc, Steve Kerr, and Pete Myers is enough to fill the GOAT-sized hole left by MJ?

Do the Nuggets win virtually the same amount of games as last season if you replaced Jokic with Jared Mccain, TJ McConnell, and Alex Len at the start of the season?

MJ played in a weak league and on a strong team. It's okay to admit it.

SOHH if Regular seasons determines how good a teamis then LeBronze had enough to win in Cleveland the first time right?

 

[10bandz]

LeGBT still running these bullshyt narratives Bron's teams sucked after he left because he sabotaged the entire situations and they had no system. MJ actually had TEAMS BUILT AROUND HIM with a coach with an actual system thats why they were able to win 55 games without him. Did they win the title though? No...

 

[Osmosis]

Yea because he doesn't play on teams that have a real system outside of "give him the ball and get out of the way". The Bulls actually ran a real offense that had Scottie Pippen and Toni Kukoc on the team to take bigger roles when Mike was gone. Your argument is they are still a 50 win team when losing Jordan but lose Horace Grant and they become sub 500?



You say this when Bulls had Pippen stepping into MJ's role and Kukoc stepping into Pippen's role with a veteran team surrounding them that had just come off winning a championship? Oh and a 3 time championship winning coach?

Here you're arguing that Tyus Jones (8 ppg 4 apg Tyus Jones btw) can replace Ja, but a 4 time Allstar and olympic champion couldn't step into MJ's shoes?

Yes, a rookie Kukoc that averaged a whopping 10 PPG WITHOUT Jordan on the team. Kukoc averaged more points in the following seasons with MJ back on the roster. He was a rookie and not very good yet, played less than 25 MPG (the same amount of minutes as Pete Myers) and was less empowered than he was in future seasons despite the usage gap that MJ left. If your argument is that the "GOAT" can easily be replaced by a rookie taking on a bigger role, then that says a lot about the shytty league he was playing in and the stacked deck he had.

Once again desperately drawing attention to an entirely different team that was without it's second most important player. You have no argument for 1994. None.

Scottie did fill in for MJ and he did so admirably. He proved he was arguably the second best player in the entire league and could take on the role of a primary option if necessary. He averaged 22 PPG, 9 RPG, 6 APG and finished 3rd in MVP voting and 4th in DPOY voting. But guess what? Scottie didn't have an all-NBA sidekick like MJ did. He had a rookie Kukoc and some bench scrubs replace MJ and the Bulls still chugged along. They won virtually the same number of games, in fact. Something that would never happen in any other era with any other all-time great. If you traded MJ for Reggie Miller right before the start of the season they likely would have won 60+ games and a championship.

As I said, you can't explain True shooting in your own words. You also can't calculate it w/o googling how to do so. Its just an extra stat cacs put on the board. 40%FG and 29%3FG is terrible. But because he made more 3's (at a terrible percentage) you think Stackhouse was playing better than MJ despite MJ averaging more pts, rebs, assists, stls, and less turnovers? Pathetic reach

I explained it already, I can't help you if your reading comprehension is poor. True shooting accounts for all of the ways a player can score points. A guy going 5/10 from the field on strictly twos did not have a more efficient scoring night than a guy that went 4/10 on strictly threes. True shooting considers free throws and three pointers to measure a player's efficiency.

Wizards Jordan was more inefficient than Stackhouse. Cry about it but it's the truth. He was one of the most inefficient chuckers in the league.

I think its more impressive watching a 40 year old actually try to compete on both sides of the ball despite his limitations over hiding on the weakest player, cherry picking, yet still getting mad at teammates when they make mistakes on defense. Something, something, lead by example? Instead he plays lazy defense so he can go put up numbers so y'all can say "check the statz!!" when his stacked teams fail time and time again. Just more fukk nikka shyt from a dude who has been a fukk nikka since the end of his first Cleveland run


Another Drake ass nikka who's gonna have records but is not gonna have the respect of the people or his peers

And yet he was still a top 10-15 player last season in his 21st season and was competing defensively against an MVP that is a different position. shyt Wizards Jordan couldn't do if his life depended on it.

 

[Osmosis]

Or C MJ had a winning impact on his team by the high standards that he set. Did Apple fall off after Steve Jobs died? How about Microsoft after Bill Gates stepped away, How about Amazon after Jeff Bezos stepped away?

MJ was MJ before Pippen became an all star and before Phil became an all time great coach.

You're now giving MJ credit for the success of others

Mental illness

SOHH if Regular seasons determines how good a teamis then LeBronze had enough to win in Cleveland the first time right?

Not a single person argued that those teams were good enough to win a championship. MJ retired in September, was replaced by a rookie and bench players, and the team still won ≈60 games and were a few minutes away from beating the conference champs in a playoff series (the same Knicks MJ went 7 against in the season prior).

You can't explain that without admitting that MJ played on a stacked team in a weak era. That shyt would never happen in any other era.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're now giving MJ credit for the success of others

Mental illness

I don’t even know why you argue with that cat. He ain’t right in the head.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

You're now giving MJ credit for the success of others

Mental illness

Not a single person argued that those teams were good enough to win a championship. MJ retired in September, was replaced by a rookie and bench players, and the team still won ≈60 games and were a few minutes away from beating the conference champs in a playoff series (the same Knicks MJ went 7 against in the season prior).

You can't explain that without admitting that MJ played on a stacked team in a weak era. That shyt would never happen in any other era.

But you;re saying Chi winning just two fewer games in the regular season is proof positive that Jordan wasn't him. But then you say Chi won in 7 against NY with MJ, but hang your hat on the fact they lost in 6 to the same Knicks team the following year. That two game difference mattered in the playoffs.

 

[fifth column]

I don’t even know why you argue with that cat. He ain’t right in the head.

You just not that well thought out, go work on that