Lebron really looks old now

[jaydawg08]

The Bron stans can’t say Bron was better than MJ in their primes which is the only thing that matters. Now they are resorting to comparing 2 old over the hill players. Nasty

How? When arguably prime to prime Shaq or Wilt have as good an argument as MJ or Bron

MJ is not head and shoulders above others like Bron is for longevity

 

[Osmosis]

Like how you left out this year in which
Bron -129
AD - 47

But I don't understand anybody arguing who is better at 38 plus Bron or Jordan. The better argument would be if retirement didn't happen because Jordan was obviously different when he came back.

The whole interaction started from that premise. Bron's obviously having a down year but most of that is because of a major slump and opponent shooting luck. He will probably finish positive or close to positive.

 

[Everythingg]

Jordan played on a team that won nearly 60 games and made the finals with a guy named Pete Myers replacing him, that's the epitome of a stacked deck.

Jordan didn't even have a better plus/minus than Richard Hamilton in 2001 he was absolute dogshyt.

That team was so great that they were under 500 the next year up till the Allstar break when the high of "prove we can ball without MJ" wore off huh?

In 2001-2002:
Jordan averaged 23 PPG on 47 TS%
Hamilton averaged 20 PPG on 51 TS%

In 2002-2003:
Jordan averaged 20 PPG on 49 TS%
Stackhouse averaged 22 PPG on 53 TS%
Wizards Jordan played with bums and wasn't even the best player on his team He was one of the worst chuckers in the league.

Lol at calling MJ a chucker in favor of Jerry Stackhouse who could barely shoot over 40% for his CAREER let alone the 2 years he was with the Wizards.

I wonder why you didn't include rebs, stls, assists in your lazy analysis? Could it be because MJ was playing better?

In the last game before the All-Star break, Jordan suffered a knee injury in a collision with Etan Thomas on February 7 against the Sacramento Kings.[64] In the 46 games that Jordan played before the injury, he averaged per game 25.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.5 steals, and 0.5 blocks on 42% shooting. Jordan's numbers were also improving as the season went on, as in his last 20 games up to the injury he averaged per game 27.5 points, 6.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.3 steals, and 0.5 blocks on 44% shooting, and in his last 10 games up to the injury he averaged per game 29.7 points, 6.6 rebounds, 6.1 assists, 1.2 steals, and 0.3 blocks on 47% shooting.

And he wasn't hiding on defense and cherry picking like we see Bron doing. Show us Lebron picking up the challenge to guard any threat this year? You can't. What you can show is Lebron being lazy on defense then turning around and whining when his teammates make a mistake on defense...

Lebron +/- in 2024: +220
AD +/- in 2024: +151

Lebron +/- without AD as a Laker: +160

Laker FT differential (as of March '24): +1017
Next closest team +358

Im sure that has nothing to do with there +/- huh?

 

[Everythingg]

Imagine hating on another man for 22 years. shyt is crazy lol.

I hate what Bron stands for and that's something I stand on

Thats all the way from pretending to care about Malcolm X for internet points to today playing lazy defense (or not even getting back at all) but somehow still having the gall to get mad at teammates every time they miss an assignment or make a mistake. But somehow that laziness never appears when he has the ball or has an open lane on a fast break to get an easy dunk. He moves like a complete fukk nikka and I hate fukk nikkas

 

[Osmosis]

That team was so great that they were under 500 the next year up till the Allstar break when the high of "prove we can ball without MJ" wore off huh?

After they lost their second best player, sure. But the point remains that Pippen with Grant and Armstrong as his best teammates led the Bulls to 55 wins, a playoff victory, and were a missed call away from beating the conference champs. That's with Jordan retiring ONE month before the season

Impossible to even imagine that happening with any other all-time great. Imagine taking Jokic off the current Nuggets or Steph off the 2016 Warriors and their record is virtually the same That's why you continually focus on an entirely different season. There is no explaining that without acknowledging that the Bulls were a stacked team in a weak era. "B-b-but two years later they needed Jordan "

Lol at calling MJ a chucker in favor of Jerry Stackhouse who could barely shoot over 40% for his CAREER let alone the 2 years he was with the Wizards.


I wonder why you didn't include rebs, stls, assists in your lazy analysis? Could it be because MJ was playing better?

So Stackhouse is more of a chucker and he was still more efficient than Wizards Jordan Of course those are the only stats I'm posting, the difference in the rest is marginal and honestly irrelevant. Jordan was a scorer and Wizards Jordan was definitely a more inefficient scorer than Hamilton and Stackhouse.

And he wasn't hiding on defense and cherry picking like we see Bron doing. Show us Lebron picking up the challenge to guard any threat this year? You can't. What you can show is Lebron being lazy on defense then turning around and whining when his teammates make a mistake on defense...

We just saw two straight years where he guarded both Murray and Jokic for stretches of playoff games. Wizards Jordan would have had heart attack if he had to play high leverage games guarding multiple positions

Laker FT differential (as of March '24): +1017

Next closest team +358

Im sure that has nothing to do with there +/- huh?

That's because they were a paint scoring team with multiple guys (Reaves, Schroeder, DLO) that grift for calls. The 2014 Rockets, 2015 Kings, 2018 Hornets all had higher free throw differentials. I'm sure players on those bum ass teams had a higher +/- than Bron, huh?

 

[Bigblackted4]

The whole interaction started from that premise. Bron's obviously having a down year but most of that is because of a major slump and opponent shooting luck. He will probably finish positive or close to positive.

Or he’s finally aged and has hit the wall

 

[Everythingg]

After they lost their second best player, sure. But the point remains that Pippen with Grant and Armstrong as his best teammates led the Bulls to 55 wins, a playoff victory, and were a missed call away from beating the conference champs. That's with Jordan retiring ONE month before the season

Thats what happens when you have a great coach that installs a system where players are put into position to play towards THEIR strengths and not simply put in position to play towards LEBRONS strengths.

The next season explains that it was a fluke season where they played above their heads. They gained Ron Harper but somehow went from a 50+ win team to under 500 at Allstar break? Making the argument that they "lost Horace Grant" is even more pathetic because that means you're arguing that a 1 time all star was a bigger loss than a 5/6 time MVP lol

Thats no different than the Grizzlies going 22-1 without Ja that one year with the difference being the Bulls were a veteran team led by a veteran coach that just won the championship the year before. Once that high of winning the season before and wanting to prove themselves without MJ wore off, they became a sub 500 team with their best player looking into a camera begging Jordan to come back...

So Stackhouse is more of a chucker and he was still more efficient than Wizards Jordan Of course those are the only stats I'm posting,

If you're going to use any other stat be sure to explain (in your own words) why someone making 42% of every FG they shot is not better than a person making 41% of every shot they took.

Oh and a 40 year old averaging more pts, assists, rebs, stls AND LESS TURNOVERS than a player smack dab in the middle of their prime is says it all. Yet you're trying to make the argument that Stack was better using a stat I know damn well you don't know how to explain without googling

We just saw two straight years where he guarded both Murray and Jokic for stretches of playoff games. Wizards Jordan would have had heart attack if he had to play high leverage games guarding multiple positions

That's because they were a paint scoring team with multiple guys (Reaves, Schroeder, DLO) that grift for calls. The 2014 Rockets, 2015 Kings, 2018 Hornets all had higher free throw differentials. I'm sure players on those bum ass teams had a higher +/- than Bron, huh?

I say MJ guarded TMac, Paul Pierce and Vince Carter and you show me Jamal Murray. And that same Jamal Murray averaged 32 6 and 5 that series like he was MJ himself


I said show me this year and you show me last year and for some reason think that's good defense Lebron was playing on Jokic where he missed a shot he usually makes, made another, and made two dumb mistakes that led to a charge call.


He aint guarding Ant? Tatum/Brown? You know, the next generation that we have video evidence of MJ doing? Im not even talking about being successful at it, Im talking about him taking the challenge to do it. Cant find it because he's too busy hiding so he conserve energy for offense so he can say "check the stats" when people point out how his stacked teams fall short time and time again..

 

[fifth column]

How? When arguably prime to prime Shaq or Wilt have as good an argument as MJ or Bron

MJ is not head and shoulders above others like Bron is for longevity

MJ never lost any championship series that he’s been in since college. That’s NCAA chip in 1981, Olympic Gold with only college players in 1984, Olympic gold in 1992 with the Dream team, 2 3/peats with no game 7s in NBA chips. Has LeBron even led a dynasty

 

[jaydawg08]

MJ never lost any championship series that he’s been in since college. That’s NCAA chip in 1981, Olympic Gold with only college players in 1984, Olympic gold in 1992 with the Dream team, 2 3/peats with no game 7s in NBA chips. Has LeBron even led a dynasty

Lebron was the dynasty

MJs team was a bad call away from going back to the ECF without him lol

It’d be like the Cavs still being elite and a 55 win team right after he left. Jordan never faced any elite finals competition, and lost consistently without the help of Pippen

Don’t care about the counting stats.. he’s 1-9 in the playoffs without his “Robin”. Lebron made it to the finals twice with an MIA 2nd fiddle

 

[Ukbrotha]

Lebron was the dynasty

MJs team was a bad call away from going back to the ECF without him lol

It’d be like the Cavs still being elite and a 55 win team right after he left. Jordan never faced any elite finals competition, and lost consistently without the help of Pippen

Don’t care about the counting stats.. he’s 1-9 in the playoffs without his “Robin”. Lebron made it to the finals twice with an MIA 2nd fiddle

Tbf there is a huge gap between winning the final or 3 peating with MJ Vs getting almost getting to the ECF without him.

 

[lib123]

The Bron stans can’t say Bron was better than MJ in their primes which is the only thing that matters. Now they are resorting to comparing 2 old over the hill players. Nasty

Yeah Bron never had a prime like this.

 

[cobra]

Yeah Bron never had a prime like this.

Prime Lebron was a better basketball player than prime MJ
bigger, faster, stronger, smarter

not his fault his competition was much better too

 

[Trojan 24]

LeGBT going out so sad

 

[Heretic]

Prime Lebron was a better basketball player than prime MJ
bigger, faster, stronger, smarter

not his fault his competition was much better too

Bigger and stronger maybe, but why do people underestimate how quick Jordan was? He blew by everybody, especially in his prime, and you can't say Bron was smarter either because his basketball IQ was incredibly high.

 

[Sccit]

He’s officially washed.

Probably not even a top 20 player in the league

HASNT BEEN IN YEARS

HE’S BEEN A NON DEFENSE PLAYING 17 PPG TYPE WHO STAT PADS HIS WAY TO 25-30 A NIGHT FOR HIS ENTIRE LAKER STINT

NOW HES TOO OLD TO EVEN STAT PAD ON A CONSISTENT BASIS