Lebron really looks old now

[Roger king]

You cats are legitimately retarded

Ya'll like a jukebox playing the same dumb hits. Completely indoctrinated. Mountains of data that prove just how much expansion weakened the competition level of the 1990s, The Bulls contending for a championship with MJ retiring a month before the season, anecdotal evidence of players, coaches, pundits shytting on the effects of expansion on the 1990s in real-time, and the best ya'll can muster is..

"MJ was so good he made everyone else look bad "

Nothing but facts, they cant debate with clear facts and data and evidence so its just making up bs

 

[Everythingg]

These guys are literal fags that don't watch basketball and get their takes from cacs on Reddit, we gotta start ignoring them

I hear you on that but we also can't have people spreading propaganda because they have agendas they want to push. I mean its just a game so its not that important but this type of purposeful misrepresentation of reality is in all parts of society at this point. Ignoring agendas being pushed just makes it worse and makes the unsuspecting think the agenda is actually true...

It took you five guys to get to Mitch Richmond

Only a handful of guys listed here are top 75 players of all-time and some of them had their primes in the 1980s or 2000s.

All of those players were good to great during the time the Bulls were winning championships and would be even better in this era than they were in the 90s. Don't really care about the spin you put on that either bc the point was to show the great talent in that era. This says it all:

Bron played in the league for 2 decades and is still chasing Jordan in accolades of course they are gonna attack the era he played in. It's all @Osmosis and @Roger king has

Still:

2 rings
2 finals mvps
1 dpoy
1 mvp
4 defensive first teams
9 scoring titles
3 steals titles
1 slam dunk title
Separating the 2 of them

Bron would have to essentially accomplish what KD has in his career to tie MJ. Not happening. So next up is the "historian" and his klutch fans/groupies/employees have to demean the past and accomplishments of MJ so it looks like there's a competition. Not happening

 

[Osmosis]

Im comparing a 3 time back to back to back championship team having top 50 of all time HOFer Scottie Pippen move into MJ's place and HOFer Toni Kukoc and Pete Myers move into Scottie's role to you who said the Grizzlies could still be good because Tyus Jones 8 pts and 4 assists stepped in for Ja Morant. Oh and that's Ja Morant who averaged 27 6 and 7 that season




Yup lets ignore that a new coach wasnt in place compared to a team that just won back to back to back championships with the same coach/system in place and a hungry Scottie Pippen who wanted to prove himself. Toni Kukoc/Pete Myers were replacements for PIPPEN while PIPPEN was the replacement for MJ but I said that already huh?


And that's without mentioning that those Celtics were 32-9 at home and didn't have a HOFer to put in the Larry bird position like the bulls did with Pippen.

You're just repeating yourself because its clear you're wrong. If you think Jerry Stackhouse shooting more 3s inefficiently makes him better than another player who made shots at a better percentage, while averaging more pts, rebs, assists, stls, and less turnovers at 39 than Jerry did at 28 then that's on you. Its not a debate. MJ had the better season

Oh and only nerds who look at basketball from a spreadsheet instead of thru the actual sport would hold it against Tim Duncan for going 6/10 when it comes to comparing him to Curry who goes 4/10 from 3. All because some cac came up with a formula you can't recite without google. But I said that already huh?

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I see you waved the white flag

Not only could you not find another example of this happening with ANY other all-time great but you're over here comparing MJ's absence to Ja fukking Morant's absence. An outlier you're forced to harp on because no team should be as good without their star player, especially if that player is an all-time great.

You're also attempting to argue that some scrub named PETE MYERS and a rookie were good enough to fill MJ's shoes. Reminder, MJ had Scottie-- a HOFER and top 10 player as his sidekick. When he had the likes of Pete Myers instead of Scottie he was getting swept in the first round. Scottie had Pete Myers and the Bulls replicated the same regular season success as they did with MJ the season prior. In that one season alone, Scottie had more regular season and playoff success than MJ ever had without him.

And the Celtics won 52 games in the very next season with that same coach when Bird was healthy They had three HOFERs and the same roster as the season prior and dropped 17 games. That has far more to do with Bird's absence than anything else. I'll give you more examples though:

Celtics with Bird in 1988: 57-25
Celtics without Bird in 1989: 40-42

Thunder with KD in 2014: 59-23
Thunder without KD in 2015: 45-37

Magic with Shaq in 96: 60-22
Magic without Shaq in 97: 45-37

Cavaliers with Lebron in 2010: 61-21
Cavaliers without Lebron in 2011: 19-63

Bulls with MJ in 1993: 57-24
Bulls without MJ in 1994: 55-27

 

[Everythingg]

I see you waved the white flag

The flag was waved once some groupie said this:

The Grizzlies played well without a young JA because they had a starting level PG off the bench to replace him.

So 8 pts and 4 assts can replace 27 6 and 7 from Ja Morant but 3 time champion and olympic gold medalist Scottie Pippen can't step in for MJ and Toni Kukoc/Pete Myers BOTH can't step in for Scottie Pippen. And that's with back to back to back champion role players also being the supporting cast for this team with a back to back to back champion coach over it all.

Not only could you not find another example

Find another example of a back to back to back champion losing their best player and having another top 50 of all time player on the team that could do the same things the best player did to a lesser degree? Theres no example of that. KD leaves the thunder? A team with a mediocre coach, no system, and didn't have a player that could step in and play KDs role. Bird leaves Celtics? New coach, possibly new system and they didn't have a player that could play his role. Lebron leaves the Cavs? There wasnt a player that could fill his role and of course Bron doesn't play in systems that don't revolve around him.

When MJ left there was a top 50 of all time player named Scottie Pippen that could do the very same things MJ did to a lesser to degree. Once he stepped up to somewhat play MJ's role, there was Toni Kukoc/Myers that could easily combine to fill the role Pippen didn't fill anymore. After these, you still had a back to back to back championship coach along with back to back to back championship role players as the supporting cast. You're not going to find an example close to these parameters. Once that high fell off they became a sub 500 team.

When he had the likes of Pete Myers instead of Scottie he was getting swept in the first round. Scottie had Pete Myers and the Bulls replicated the same regular season success as they did with MJ the season prior. In that one season alone, Scottie had more regular season and playoff success than MJ ever had without him.

A Lebron groupie trying to clown MJ for falling short when he didn't even have 1 all star on his team while Lebron team hops to play with top 5 players every time his team runs its course?

Same Bron that failed and ran to the second best player in his conference (who already won a championship) to then claim he's going for 6, 7, 8 championships while only winning 2. Then we fast forward to today, he's failing with a top 5 player (again), and Klutch is currently trying to lay the groundwork to have him jump ship to the Warriors to play with Steph. The very same Steph that beat him 3 out of 4 times

And the Celtics won 52 games in the very next season with that same coach when Bird was healthy

Wow so with a new coach and no top 50 of all time player to fill the role Bird had they weren't as good but when Bird came back they were good again?


First you said Stackhouse was better than a 40 year old player that averaged more pts, rebs, assists, stls and less turnovers because he shot more 3s inefficiently. Dumb position #1. Dumb position #2 is saying that the back to back to back champion bulls winning 55 games after MJ is retired is some type of an indictment against MJ while at the same time ignoring the bulls losing Horace the next season and going under 500 up until the all star break. But you have to ignore it because the premise you're trying to push to make Bron look better would then say that losing 1 time Allstar Horace Grant was a bigger loss than them losing a 5 or 6 time MVP. But I've said this already

 

[Peruvian Connect]

You cats are legitimately retarded

Ya'll like a jukebox playing the same dumb hits. Completely indoctrinated. Mountains of data that prove just how much expansion weakened the competition level of the 1990s, The Bulls contending for a championship with MJ retiring a month before the season, anecdotal evidence of players, coaches, pundits shytting on the effects of expansion on the 1990s in real-time, and the best ya'll can muster is..

"MJ was so good he made everyone else look bad "

MJ was so good that he made everyone look bad. He also had a solid team that stayed together. People love to blame expansion as if teams lost elite players.

 

[fifth column]

You cats are legitimately retarded

Ya'll like a jukebox playing the same dumb hits. Completely indoctrinated. Mountains of data that prove just how much expansion weakened the competition level of the 1990s, The Bulls contending for a championship with MJ retiring a month before the season, anecdotal evidence of players, coaches, pundits shytting on the effects of expansion on the 1990s in real-time, and the best ya'll can muster is..

"MJ was so good he made everyone else look bad "

You are like a foolish dog that keep barking at the clouds. Even if we play dumb and say MJ played in an “expansion” era it still doesn’t change the fact that he went 6-0 with 2 3-peats in NBA chips. I guess the era was only weak for him which means he must be the goat, otherwise how else did he do all that, wouldn’t the era be weak for all the other superstars as well.

You blind witnesses are running out of excuses, y’all should appreciate Mike for giving LeBron a style to try and copy.

 

[fifth column]

I see you waved the white flag

Not only could you not find another example of this happening with ANY other all-time great but you're over here comparing MJ's absence to Ja fukking Morant's absence. An outlier you're forced to harp on because no team should be as good without their star player, especially if that player is an all-time great.

You're also attempting to argue that some scrub named PETE MYERS and a rookie were good enough to fill MJ's shoes. Reminder, MJ had Scottie-- a HOFER and top 10 player as his sidekick. When he had the likes of Pete Myers instead of Scottie he was getting swept in the first round. Scottie had Pete Myers and the Bulls replicated the same regular season success as they did with MJ the season prior. In that one season alone, Scottie had more regular season and playoff success than MJ ever had without him.

And the Celtics won 52 games in the very next season with that same coach when Bird was healthy They had three HOFERs and the same roster as the season prior and dropped 17 games. That has far more to do with Bird's absence than anything else. I'll give you more examples though:

Celtics with Bird in 1988: 57-25
Celtics without Bird in 1989: 40-42

Thunder with KD in 2014: 59-23
Thunder without KD in 2015: 45-37

Magic with Shaq in 96: 60-22
Magic without Shaq in 97: 45-37

Cavaliers with Lebron in 2010: 61-21
Cavaliers without Lebron in 2011: 19-63

Bulls with MJ in 1993: 57-24
Bulls without MJ in 1994: 55-27

Or Bulls with MJ in 1991-1993: Dynasty
Bulls without MJ in 1994 2nd rd exit, 1995 MJ came back with 17 games left in the season to get them in the playoffs
Bulls with MJ 1996-1998: Dynasty

That MJ guy is pretty good

Btw the Spurs in 2015-16 won 67 games with Tim Duncan
The Spurs in 2016-17 won 61 games without Tim Duncan

If you weren’t so disingenuous you would realize that it’s because similar to the 90s Bulls the Spurs had a great coach and a great player in Timmy who set high standards and not the bs you trying to push.

 

[10bandz]

Btw the Spurs in 2015-16 won 67 games with Tim Duncan
The Spurs in 2016-17 won 61 games without Tim Duncan

If you weren’t so disingenuous you would realize that it’s because similar to the 90s Bulls the Spurs had a great coach and a great player in Timmy who set high standards and not the bs you trying to push.

LeGBT really doesn't understand this concept and it's sad.

 

[Osmosis]

The flag was waved once some groupie said this:



So 8 pts and 4 assts can replace 27 6 and 7 from Ja Morant but 3 time champion and olympic gold medalist Scottie Pippen can't step in for MJ and Toni Kukoc/Pete Myers BOTH can't step in for Scottie Pippen. And that's with back to back to back champion role players also being the supporting cast for this team with a back to back to back champion coach over it all.

Yeah, you cultists really are indoctrinated retards. After constantly deflecting, contradicting yourself, and throwing absolutely every argument in the book, you've landed on:

A. Comparing the "GOAT" to a 21 year old Ja Morant in a season where the Grizzlies won more without him
B. Arguing that a rookie playing 24 MPG and PETE MYERS (a Tony Snell esque role player) could credibly replace the "GOAT's" production
C. Arguing that every other instance that involved an all-time great getting injured or walking in free agency and their team summarily collapsing is because of the "system" (ignoring that all of these players played in drastically different systems)

Occam's razor and the mountains of data on the effects of expansion on the 1990s NBA would suggest that the reason the Bulls didn't drop off without MJ (who retired a month before the season) is because A. the Bulls were the strongest team in the league and B. The 1990s were a uniquely weak decade

But nah, Scottie should have done what Jordan couldn't and win a championship with cats like Pete Myers starting

 

[Osmosis]

Btw the Spurs in 2015-16 won 67 games with Tim Duncan
The Spurs in 2016-17 won 61 games without Tim Duncan

If you weren’t so disingenuous you would realize that it’s because similar to the 90s Bulls the Spurs had a great coach and a great player in Timmy who set high standards and not the bs you trying to push.

LeGBT really doesn't understand this concept and it's sad.

Yeah, 40 year old Tim Duncan that averaged 8 PPG and played less than 25 MPG Kawhi and Aldridge were their best players and they remained on the team. Tim was on his last legs and was replaced by Pau who came in and produced even better numbers. Thank you for proving my point. Even a washed Tim Duncan's departure was worth more wins than Jordan's

It's crazy how stuck on stupid ya'll are when the obvious is smacking you in the face.

 

[VegetasHairline]

Nothing but facts, they cant debate with clear facts and data and evidence so its just making up bs

You're an imbecile that doesn't even watch games.

 

[Everythingg]

A. Comparing the "GOAT" to a 21 year old Ja Morant in a season where the Grizzlies won more without him

B. Arguing that a rookie playing 24 MPG and PETE MYERS (a Tony Snell esque role player) could credibly replace the "GOAT's" production

If Tyus can replace Ja and the team still be good, then why would anyone think that a 3 time NBA champion and HOFer(Pipp) who had the same strengths MJ did (to a lesser extent)couldn't take over for MJ's role? And then have another HOF(er) in Kukoc combined with another role player put in place to cover Pippen's former role? One more time so you don't deflect:

Pippen replaced Jordan
Kukoc/Myers replaced Pippen

You can babble and deflect but it doesn't change this reality

C. Arguing that every other instance that involved an all-time great getting injured or walking in free agency and their team summarily collapsing is because of the "system" (ignoring that all of these players played in drastically different systems)

There was nobody to take on KD’ or Birds role when they got hurt. The bulls had Scottie to take on MJs role on a team full of role players coming off a 3peat. There’s no team that has all these qualities


Oh and the 2019 58 win Raptor championship team lost Kawhi and still won 50 the following year. The year after winning 50? They lose Gasol/Ibaka and drop to 27 wins. Only a person with an agenda to push would push this as meaning Kawhi was less valuable than Gasol/Ibaka

Occam's razor and the mountains of data on the effects of expansion on the 1990s NBA would suggest that the reason the Bulls didn't drop off without MJ (who retired a month before the season) is because A. the Bulls were the strongest team in the league and B. The 1990s were a uniquely weak decade

But nah, Scottie should have done what Jordan couldn't and win a championship with cats like Pete Myers starting

Imagine making fun of MJ for not winning without another Allstar player while also cheerleading for Lebron who diddy hops team to team to play with other star/superstar/top 5 players. Fast forward to today and we see the lakers going nowhere and him/Klutch start laying the groundwork for him to run to Curry

 

[Osmosis]

If Tyus can replace Ja and the team still be good, then why would anyone think that a 3 time NBA champion and HOFer(Pipp) who had the same strengths MJ did (to a lesser extent)couldn't take over for MJ's role? And then have another HOF(er) in Kukoc combined with another role player put in place to cover Pippen's former role? One more time so you don't deflect:

Pippen replaced Jordan
Kukoc/Myers replaced Pippen

You can babble and deflect but it doesn't change this reality

Yeah you're cooked

Once again, I need you to understand that you are seriously arguing that a rookie and a scrub should effectively replace Michael Jordan. I'm not sure how you can look at him as the GOAT if you believe his absence could be filled by bench level players.

It's like removing Giannis from the Bucks, replacing him with Alex Sarr and Cam Reddish, and acting incredulous that Dame can't win a championship with them.

"Dame replaces Giannis' production and Sarr and Reddish replace Dame "

Beyond retarded logic. Scottie wasn't close to the player MJ was and a rookie and scrub from the Itallian league aren't close to matching Scottie, who was a top five player in the league.

And guess what? They still won 55 games and were a missed call away from a chance at winning the conference. Unprecedented feat for a team missing a top 5 player of all time. Proof positive that the Bulls were a stacked team in a dogshyt era.

Lastly, remember that Jordan could hardly win a single game in the first round when he was playing with players better than Pete Myers before Scottie arrived. You would never expect him to win a championship if Scottie was replaced with a rookie and Pete Myers level scrub.

There was nobody to take on KD’ or Birds role. The bulls had Scottie to take on MJs role in a team coming off a 3peat. There’s no team that has all these qualities

Now, you're forced to narrow the parameters because you want to ignore reality.

The Thunder had prime Westbrook who averaged 28, 7, and 9 and the same core role players they had with KD that won 60 games the season prior. The Celtics had THREE HOFERS (two top 75 players) that have been playing with each other for years.
But nah, that's not enough. Nothing like having a rookie and good ol Pete Myers

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

The biggest attribute to LeBron and what made him so great was his defense. He can't consistently play defense anymore which has a huge impact on this teams now.

It's one of the reasons why he was able to win with some many pedestrian rosters. The Lakers don't have any great defenders besides AD. It is what it is. LeBron is about to turn 40, but everyone is stuck in 2014.

 

[lib123]

LeGBT still running these bullshyt narratives Bron's teams sucked after he left because he sabotaged the entire situations and they had no system. MJ actually had TEAMS BUILT AROUND HIM with a coach with an actual system thats why they were able to win 55 games without him. Did they win the title though? No...

Facts Bron’s teams were filled with one-dimensional pieces who could shoot 3s but couldn’t create their own shots or facilitate. If you replaced Bron with 2019 Ben Simmons after Bron left the Cavs in 2018, that Cavs team still would’ve still been a playoff team.