Lebron really looks old now

[fifth column]

You're now giving MJ credit for the success of others

Mental illness

Not a single person argued that those teams were good enough to win a championship. MJ retired in September, was replaced by a rookie and bench players, and the team still won ≈60 games and were a few minutes away from beating the conference champs in a playoff series (the same Knicks MJ went 7 against in the season prior).

You can't explain that without admitting that MJ played on a stacked team in a weak era. That shyt would never happen in any other era.

I said MJ set high standards, what is tripping you up?

 

[Everythingg]

Yes, a rookie Kukoc that averaged a whopping 10 PPG WITHOUT Jordan on the team.

So Tyus Jones at 8 pts 4 asts can replace all star Ja Morant but (eventual) HOFer Toni Kukoc AND Pete Myers (avg 8, 2, and 3) CANT fill in for Scott "Migraine" Pippen


Imagine using the 55 win season as an indictment against MJ, but not wanting to discuss how losing Horace Grant took that same 55 win team to a sub 500 team because you know you can’t make the argument that losing Horace Grant was a bigger loss for the bulls than them losing MJ

some bench scrubs

Imagine calling the role players on a team that won 3 championships back to back to back “scrubs”. Typical Bron “I win, you lost” babble when it comes to his teams winning or losing.

I explained it already,

You didn’t explain how to calculate it because you can’t explain it without googling it. The stat you’re using is exactly why the game is in this “3 or die” era where 2 teams will shoot 100 3s even if they’re missing everything. You’d essentially clown Tim Duncan for going 5/10 because Steph went 4/10 from 3. It’s stupid and it doesn’t make Steph “more efficient” because he shoots further from the goal.

Imagine saying that Stackhouse shooting more threes inefficiently makes him better than a player that had more pts, rebs, assists, stls, and less than turnovers. And this player coming of a 2/3 year layoff while Stack was 28 in his prime

And yet he was still a top 10-15 player last season in his 21st season and was competing defensively against an MVP that is a different position. shyt Wizards Jordan couldn't do if his life depended on it.

If only MJ came back to hide on defense so he could conserve energy for offense. If only he lallygagged when it came to getting back on defense so he could cherry-pick while still somehow having the gall to get visibly mad at any teammate who happened to make a mistake on defense. If only MJ pushed to play with Tim Duncan or KG (you know a top 5 player)instead of ending up playing with Jahidi White, Popeye Jones, and Jerry Chuckhouse

 

[Everythingg]

MJ played in a weak league and on a strong team. It's okay to admit it.

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Hakeem
Stockton
Mitch Richmond
Tim Hardaway
Alonzo Mourning
Larry Johnson
Patrick Ewing
Gary Payton
Shawn Kemp
Dominique Wilkins
Clyde Drexler
Shaq
Reggile Miller
David Robinson
Rodman
Mutombo
Chris Webber

These are just the mainstays of the league. There were other underrated players like

Kevin Johnson
Chris Mullin
Latrell Sprewell
Allan Houston
Grant Hill
Penny
Anthony Mason
Derrick Coleman
Glenn Rice
Van Exel
John Starks
Mark Price
Weak era?

 

[Trojan 24]

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Hakeem
Stockton
Mitch Richmond
Tim Hardaway
Alonzo Mourning
Larry Johnson
Patrick Ewing
Gary Payton
Shawn Kemp
Dominique Wilkins
Clyde Drexler
Shaq
Reggile Miller
David Robinson
Rodman
Mutombo
Chris Webber

These are just the mainstays of the league. There were other underrated players like

Kevin Johnson
Chris Mullin
Latrell Sprewell
Allan Houston
Grant Hill
Penny
Anthony Mason
Derrick Coleman
Glenn Rice
Van Exel
John Starks
Mark Price
Weak era?

These guys are literal fags that don't watch basketball and get their takes from cacs on Reddit, we gotta start ignoring them

 

[Shadow King]

These guys are literal fags that don't watch basketball and get their takes from cacs on Reddit, we gotta start ignoring them

I just beat your buddy to the punch

 

[Diondon]

WeAk ErA

 

[fifth column]

WeAk ErA

As opposed to this strong era where if a player catches a common cold then he’s out for 3 weeks(rest). The personal branding is strong though

 

[Osmosis]

So Tyus Jones at 8 pts 4 asts can replace all star Ja Morant but (eventual) HOFer Toni Kukoc AND Pete Myers (avg 8, 2, and 3) CANT fill in for Scott "Migraine" Pippen


Imagine using the 55 win season as an indictment against MJ, but not wanting to discuss how losing Horace Grant took that same 55 win team to a sub 500 team because you know you can’t make the argument that losing Horace Grant was a bigger loss for the bulls than them losing MJ

You're just aggressively stupid, breh. You're comparing a random all-star that was in like his third season in Ja Morant to the "GOAT" in his prime You know there are NO other examples of teams performing that well without their best player so you're honing in on an extreme outlier that was head-scratching at the time. The Grizzlies success without Ja had more to do with his poor defense and style of play, they actually won at a much higher rate without him in 2022 than they did with him. So that clearly had something to do with Ja's impact on winning.

Now, show me a single season of this happening with ONE all-time great. Just one. Not someone that was traded away for equal or comparable value. I want you to show me an all-time great in a single season that was out due to injury for a significant sample or walked during free agency and was replaced by spare parts and their team still won roughly the same amount of games as they did in the previous season. That never happens unless it's the dogshyt 1990s.

Larry Bird played in 76 games in 1988 and the Celtics went 57-25. He played in 6 games in 1989 and the Celtics went 42-40 and got swept in the first round. That's with Mchale, Parrish, and Johnson all playing more than 72 games in 1989. A legend is not supposed to be replaced by a rookie and bench scrubs and watch their team win roughly the same amount of games no amount of dikkriding, deflecting, and faulty comparisons can hide that MJ played on the strongest team in the weakest era.

Finally, Toni Kukoc was a rookie and Pete Myers was a scrub that played in the Italian league the season prior. The fact that you think they're adequate pieces to replace MJ's production shows just how deluded the MJ cult is. "Yeah MJ only won with Scottie but Scottie can't win with Pete Myers? "

You didn’t explain how to calculate it because you can’t explain it without googling it. The stat you’re using is exactly why the game is in this “3 or die” era where 2 teams will shoot 100 3s even if they’re missing everything. You’d essentially clown Tim Duncan for going 5/10 because Steph went 4/10 from 3. It’s stupid and it doesn’t make Steph “more efficient” because he shoots further from the goal.

Imagine saying that Stackhouse shooting more threes inefficiently makes him better than a player that had more pts, rebs, assists, stls, and less than turnovers. And this player coming of a 2/3 year layoff while Stack was 28 in his prime

Like I said, aggressively stupid. TS is how many points you score divided by how many possessions you use. It's a much more comprehensive picture of a player's scoring ability and doesn't ignore shot attempts that ended with free throws like FG% does. And judging by that statistic, Jordan was a more inefficient chucker than Jerry Chuckhouse.

Stackhouse was a mediocre chucker, the fact that you're attempting to make an argument that Jordan was better than him proves how shytty Wizards Jordan was. That's like having to make the case why Lebron was better than Jerami Grant last season.

 

[Osmosis]

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Hakeem
Stockton
Mitch Richmond
Tim Hardaway
Alonzo Mourning
Larry Johnson
Patrick Ewing
Gary Payton
Shawn Kemp
Dominique Wilkins
Clyde Drexler
Shaq
Reggile Miller
David Robinson
Rodman
Mutombo

These are just the mainstays of the league. There were other underrated players like

Kevin Johnson
Chris Mullin
Latrell Sprewell
Allan Houston
Grant Hill
Penny
Anthony Mason
Derrick Coleman
Glenn Rice
Van Exel
John Starks

Weak era?

It took you five guys to get to Mitch Richmond

Only a handful of guys listed here are top 75 players of all-time and some of them had their primes in the 1980s or 2000s.

This is what was being said at the time. No league that adds 7 teams in 6 seasons is a strong league. It was a weak, diluted league and everyone from the players to the coaches to the pundits knew it in real-time:

There are no great NBA teams this season.

There are some pretty good teams - Chicago, Orlando, Houston spring to mind - but no great ones.The reason? Expansion.

This is not an isolated viewpoint. All around the league, people are saying that the NBA, in its rush to take advantage of an expanding fan base, has diluted its product.

The prime evidence is in Chicago. The Bulls are on their way to a 70-plus win season, causing some people to call them a great team.

Bulls forward Dennis Rodman, for one, won't be impressed if Chicago smashes the NBA record of 69 wins in a season, set by a great Laker team of the early '70s.

"This league is so filtered and watered down, we can beat anybody with our eyes closed, pretty much," Rodman said.

Charles Barkley and Larry Bird have expressed comparable sentiments about the way the league has thinned out; Bird even used the Jazz as an example, and people in the Jazz camp have a hard time disagreeing.

"You look at the overall picture, it is diluted to some extent," said Jazz coach Jerry Sloan, whose team is in Los Angeles preparing to meet the Lakers on Friday night. "You can get by with three great players on a team, and have a chance to win it all. Before, you had to have four or five great players, and some good players around them."

"The talent level now nowhere compares to what it was eight years ago, and obviously it's because of expansion," said Jazz broadcaster Ron Boone.

What Boone worries about is talk of even more expansion. He says the NBA is already a league of guys who can run and jump but don't know how to play the game. "What I'm concerned about is the lack of good shooters," he said. "Guys are more athletic now, but they're not fundamentally sound. How much more expansion can they do?

 

[Osmosis]

These guys are literal fags that don't watch basketball and get their takes from cacs on Reddit, we gotta start ignoring them

Look at Jorge talking spicy

 

[fifth column]

You're just aggressively stupid, breh. You're comparing a random all-star that was in like his third season in Ja Morant to the "GOAT" in his prime You know there are NO other examples of teams performing that well without their best player so you're honing in on an extreme outlier that was head-scratching at the time. The Grizzlies success without Ja had more to do with his poor defense and style of play, they actually won at a much higher rate without him in 2022 than they did with him. So that clearly had something to do with Ja's impact on winning.

Now, show me a single season of this happening with ONE all-time great. Just one. Not someone that was traded away for equal or comparable value. I want you to show me an all-time great in a single season that was out due to injury for a significant sample or walked during free agency and was replaced by spare parts and their team still won roughly the same amount of games as they did in the previous season. That never happens unless it's the dogshyt 1990s.

Larry Bird played in 76 games in 1988 and the Celtics went 57-25. He played in 6 games in 1989 and the Celtics went 42-40 and got swept in the first round. That's with Mchale, Parrish, and Johnson all playing more than 72 games in 1989. A legend is not supposed to be replaced by a rookie and bench scrubs and watch their team win roughly the same amount of games no amount of dikkriding, deflecting, and faulty comparisons can hide that MJ played on the strongest team in the weakest era.

Finally, Toni Kukoc was a rookie and Pete Myers was a scrub that played in the Italian league the season prior. The fact that you think they're adequate pieces to replace MJ's production shows just how deluded the MJ cult is. "Yeah MJ only won with Scottie but Scottie can't win with Pete Myers? "

Like I said, aggressively stupid. TS is how many points you score divided by how many possessions you use. It's a much more comprehensive picture of a player's scoring ability and doesn't ignore shot attempts that ended with free throws like FG% does. And judging by that statistic, Jordan was a more inefficient chucker than Jerry Chuckhouse.

Stackhouse was a mediocre chucker, the fact that you're attempting to make an argument that Jordan was better than him proves how shytty Wizards Jordan was. That's like having to make the case why Lebron was better than Jerami Grant last season.

By saying that MJ played on the strongest team in a weak era is inadvertently admitting that MJ is the goat. Any era would look weak if the goat played in that era.

Your argument holds no merit since MJ didn’t bandwagon like ya man onto an already strong team, instead he grinded from the bottom to where they became a dynasty.

 

[bigde09]

By saying that MJ played on the strongest team in a weak era is inadvertently admitting that MJ is the goat. Any era would look weak if the goat played in that era.

Your argument holds no merit since MJ didn’t bandwagon like ya man onto an already strong team, instead he grinded from the bottom to where they became a dynasty.

Bron played in the league for 2 decades and is still chasing Jordan in accolades of course they are gonna attack the era he played in. It's all @Osmosis and @Roger king has

Still:

2 rings
2 finals mvps
1 dpoy
1 mvp
4 defensive first teams
9 scoring titles
3 steals titles
1 slam dunk title
Separating the 2 of them

 

[Everythingg]

You're comparing a random all-star that was in like his third season in Ja Morant to the "GOAT" in his prime

Im comparing a 3 time back to back to back championship team having top 50 of all time HOFer Scottie Pippen move into MJ's place and HOFer Toni Kukoc and Pete Myers move into Scottie's role to you who said the Grizzlies could still be good because Tyus Jones 8 pts and 4 assists stepped in for Ja Morant. Oh and that's Ja Morant who averaged 27 6 and 7 that season

Larry Bird played in 76 games in 1988 and the Celtics went 57-25. He played in 6 games in 1989 and the Celtics went 42-40 and got swept in the first round. That's with Mchale, Parrish, and Johnson all playing more than 72 games in 1989. A legend is not supposed to be replaced by a rookie and bench scrubs and watch their team win roughly the same amount of games

Yup lets ignore that a new coach wasnt in place compared to a team that just won back to back to back championships with the same coach/system in place and a hungry Scottie Pippen who wanted to prove himself. Toni Kukoc/Pete Myers were replacements for PIPPEN while PIPPEN was the replacement for MJ but I said that already huh?


And that's without mentioning that those Celtics were 32-9 at home and didn't have a HOFer to put in the Larry bird position like the bulls did with Pippen.

Like I said, aggressively stupid. TS is how many points you score divided by how many possessions you use. It's a much more comprehensive picture of a player's scoring ability and doesn't ignore shot attempts that ended with free throws like FG% does. And judging by that statistic, Jordan was a more inefficient chucker than Jerry Chuckhouse.

Stackhouse was a mediocre chucker, the fact that you're attempting to make an argument that Jordan was better than him proves how shytty Wizards Jordan was. That's like having to make the case why Lebron was better than Jerami Grant last season.

You're just repeating yourself because its clear you're wrong. If you think Jerry Stackhouse shooting more 3s inefficiently makes him better than another player who made shots at a better percentage, while averaging more pts, rebs, assists, stls, and less turnovers at 39 than Jerry did at 28 then that's on you. Its not a debate. MJ had the better season

Oh and only nerds who look at basketball from a spreadsheet instead of thru the actual sport would hold it against Tim Duncan for going 6/10 when it comes to comparing him to Curry who goes 4/10 from 3. All because some cac came up with a formula you can't recite without google. But I said that already huh?

 

[Rev]

Time for that holiday break…

 

[Osmosis]

By saying that MJ played on the strongest team in a weak era is inadvertently admitting that MJ is the goat. Any era would look weak if the goat played in that era.

Your argument holds no merit since MJ didn’t bandwagon like ya man onto an already strong team, instead he grinded from the bottom to where they became a dynasty.

You cats are legitimately retarded

Ya'll like a jukebox playing the same dumb hits. Completely indoctrinated. Mountains of data that prove just how much expansion weakened the competition level of the 1990s, The Bulls contending for a championship with MJ retiring a month before the season, anecdotal evidence of players, coaches, pundits shytting on the effects of expansion on the 1990s in real-time, and the best ya'll can muster is..

"MJ was so good he made everyone else look bad "