🌕 Killers Of The Flower Moon’ 🌕-- Martin Scorsese, Leonardo DiCaprio & Robert De Niro (Discussion Thread)

[phillycavsfan]

The depiction of First Nations people in this movie was appalling. This is a story that needed to be told by a native voice.

What more could they have said about the Osage people?

 

[Jean toomer]

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I always thought that was a Scorsese trademark. We follow the POV from the scumbag loser character.
There are exceptions like Hugo and Silence

Given the subject matter, I think the approach is unforgivable. Example The kid dies of whooping cough … cut to DiCaprio crying in the prison, the mother be damned. I found the movie quite distasteful.

 

[Jean toomer]

The depiction of First Nations people in this movie was appalling. This is a story that needed to be told by a native voice.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

This didnt feel like a Scorsese film at all and I mean it in a good way.

One of the best movies I’ve watched in the last couple of years.

Deniro was masterful, Lily Gladstone aswell. Great acting all around from the bigger parts to the smaller one.

Lily conveyed a lot of emotion without saying a lot. It was like a horror story seeing how much death was surrounding her and with what was being done to her.
Easily she should win best actress and be the first indigenous woman to do so

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

For me, the last hour was better than the first hour. When everything started going sideways Leo and Bobby UPPED their game and Plemons was outstanding as well... The pacing was also better in the last hour than the first hour.

Same for me. I was literally on the edge of my seat

 

[phillycavsfan]

Given the subject matter, I think the approach is unforgivable. Example The kid dies of whooping cough … cut to DiCaprio crying in the prison, the mother be damned. I found the movie quite distasteful.

Spoiler: Movie Spoilers

Wasn't she incapacitated or in the hospital at that point? Also, thats probably a bad example because story-wise Ernest's reaction to his kid dying was far more important than Mollie. His child's death was what motivated to snitch on Hale and confess his part in the conspiracy.

 

[Jean toomer]

Spoiler: Movie Spoilers

Wasn't she incapacitated or in the hospital at that point? Also, thats probably a bad example because story-wise Ernest's reaction to his kid dying was far more important than Mollie. His child's death was what motivated to snitch on Hale and confess his part in the conspiracy.

That’s a fair point in terms of the plot his reaction was necessary to complete the narrative. She was however recuperating at the time of the death. My point is very little time or effort was given to develop and understand the Native American characters relative to DiCaprio and deniro and I find that problematic.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Need that Black Wallstreet movie now.
A black director has to step up...
And also don't whitewash it.

not many black Directors I trust tbh. Have black people write it, of locals/descendants in a producer role but get this in the hands of the best director possible.

 

[Robbie3000]

The movie is based on the book, I'm assuming that's a topic of conversation and it's unfortunately one that has to be had. Marrying white men did them no favors.

And it wasn’t “high value men” to make it worse. They were marrying the bottom of the barrel white men. Real cracker ass crackers.

When watching this, I was thinking of the NFL and NBA players and the extremely high levels of interracial marriages relative to the general population.

 

[valet]

I agree with her assessment and said this in my review. The way they were portrayed seemed like they lacked depth. This was the Indian version of trauma porn.

'Reservation Dogs' star Devery Jacobs slams 'Killers of the Flower Moon'

'Reservation Dogs' star Devery Jacobs slams 'Killers of the Flower Moon' for being 'f---king hellfire' that 'dehumanizes our people.'

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[Jean toomer]

not many black Directors I trust tbh. Have black people write it, of locals/descendants in a producer role but get this in the hands of the best director possible.

Barry Jenkins.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Barry Jenkins.

Moonlight and Dear White People (TV show)....no thanks

 

[Jean toomer]

Lily conveyed a lot of emotion without saying a lot. It was like a horror story seeing how much death was surrounding her and with what was being done to her.
Easily she should win best actress and be the first indigenous woman to do so

Lily Gladstone apparently prefers to use the pronoun they….

 

[Jean toomer]

Moonlight and Dear White People (TV show)....no thanks

Moonlight was well made and If Beale Street Could Talk was masterful. He’s a good director.

 

[Big Dick]

I agree with her assessment and said this in my review. The way they were portrayed seemed like they lacked depth. This was the Indian version of trauma porn.

'Reservation Dogs' star Devery Jacobs slams 'Killers of the Flower Moon'

'Reservation Dogs' star Devery Jacobs slams 'Killers of the Flower Moon' for being 'f---king hellfire' that 'dehumanizes our people.'

ew.com

Obviously she’s much closer to the material than me as she’s Native American but I personally don’t feel like the depictions in the movie normalized violence towards Indians in any way. They did some irredeemable, absolutely repulsive things to the Osage and they never became easier to watch and accept as the film went on. If anything it got harder to watch especially with how they treated molly and the absolute lack of empathy they treated the Osage with. if anything was normalized it was Americans being greedy pieces of shyt.